162/3.45

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hope14
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162/3.45

Postby hope14 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:03 pm

URM - AA Female, decent softs: Masters degree, CPA, 2 years out of school with good work experience. Took Dec LSAT (I'm not retaking) and sent all my apps in early January please chance me on the below schools.

USC
Cornell
Harvard
Stanford
Duke
Columbia
Georgetown
Penn
ND
UCLA
NYU

Thank you for your opinions!

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby francesfarmer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:07 pm

http://myLSN.info/ybbl7o

Edit: I think you'll outperform this a bit because this cycle is so down and your softs are good (not that softs mean anything, right?).

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby nebula666 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:15 pm

Only lock is Cornell but I wouldn't be surprised with at least one of MVP and down. Should get $ everywhere outside the T14. Probably out at Harvard.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:59 pm

hope14 wrote: (I'm not retaking)

That's too bad, because a few more points and you'd have a great shot at all of these schools. URM + mid 160s + a 3.xx GPA = great cycle.

I agree you'll probably benefit from the down cycle, but how much is really hard to say. You'll have a shot at MVPGD but probably out in the T6.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:08 pm

hope14 wrote:URM - AA Female, decent softs: Masters degree, CPA, 2 years out of school with good work experience. Took Dec LSAT (I'm not retaking) and sent all my apps in early January please chance me on the below schools.

USC- In
Cornell- In
Harvard- Out
Stanford- Out
Duke- 50/50
Columbia- Out
Georgetown- In
Penn- Out
ND- In
UCLA- In
NYU- Out

Thank you for your opinions!


You are making a big mistake by not retaking the LSAT. If you score about a 166-167ish, you have a pretty good shot at Harvard. I have an AA female friend that got a dual JD/MBA from Harvard with about a 3.6ish/165ish. You most likely will be paying sticker wherever you go.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:16 pm

It sounds like you studied for the LSAT while working at the same time. Doing this is close to impossible if you are shooting for real high LSAT. If your goal is law school no matter what, I would quit my job and study full time for the LSAT. You can retake in June or October, apply and then start subsitute teaching or something. I don't know how all of these guys on TLS worked full time and pulled off a 170+. I couldn't do it.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby hope14 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:26 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:
hope14 wrote:
You are making a big mistake by not retaking the LSAT. If you score about a 166-167ish, you have a pretty good shot at Harvard. I have an AA female friend that got a dual JD/MBA from Harvard with about a 3.6ish/165ish. You most likely will be paying sticker wherever you go.


Trust me I understand that a retake would be in my best interest. I was PT'ing in the high 160s and had a bad test day experience, but law school is a now or never decision for me at this point in my life. I can't wait another year, so I'm working with my current situation.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby Ti Malice » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:31 pm

hope14 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:
hope14 wrote:
You are making a big mistake by not retaking the LSAT. If you score about a 166-167ish, you have a pretty good shot at Harvard. I have an AA female friend that got a dual JD/MBA from Harvard with about a 3.6ish/165ish. You most likely will be paying sticker wherever you go.


Trust me I understand that a retake would be in my best interest. I was PT'ing in the high 160s and had a bad test day experience, but law school is a now or never decision for me at this point in my life. I can't wait another year, so I'm working with my current situation.


Why can't you wait another year? Not to be nosey, but I read this here all the time, and I've yet to see anyone offer convincing reasons.
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Re: 162/3.45

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:35 pm

hope14 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:
hope14 wrote:
You are making a big mistake by not retaking the LSAT. If you score about a 166-167ish, you have a pretty good shot at Harvard. I have an AA female friend that got a dual JD/MBA from Harvard with about a 3.6ish/165ish. You most likely will be paying sticker wherever you go.


Trust me I understand that a retake would be in my best interest. I was PT'ing in the high 160s and had a bad test day experience, but law school is a now or never decision for me at this point in my life. I can't wait another year, so I'm working with my current situation.

This is never, ever true. No one has a gun to your head. You can find a job or something to do during the year off while you study. So, so many people on TLS have done this and made it work. I've heard dozens say it was the best decision they ever made. I've never heard a single person in three years of being on TLS who has said "Man I really regret taking a year off to retake." Not one. Take that FWIW.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:43 pm

hope14 wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:
hope14 wrote:
You are making a big mistake by not retaking the LSAT. If you score about a 166-167ish, you have a pretty good shot at Harvard. I have an AA female friend that got a dual JD/MBA from Harvard with about a 3.6ish/165ish. You most likely will be paying sticker wherever you go.


Trust me I understand that a retake would be in my best interest. I was PT'ing in the high 160s and had a bad test day experience, but law school is a now or never decision for me at this point in my life. I can't wait another year, so I'm working with my current situation.


As an URM, you could probably get away with getting the T-14 to reconsider your apps with a June LSAT for this cycle. I understand the feeling of not wanting to put off law school any longer. I would quit your job like yesterday and get on the ball. The June LSAT is the best one of the entire year, because it isn't in the morning. If I was in your shoes, I would retake in June. If you score higher, do what I said above and contact schools to reconsider you or apply next year with the higher score. If you score lower or the same, then go ahead and enroll at your top choice from the schools listed above.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby hope14 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:46 pm

I really don't want to tell my life story here nor do I feel like defending my decisions. I should retake, got it. Does anyone mind actually answering the question I asked.....

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:48 pm

hope14 wrote:I really don't want to tell my life story here nor do I feel like defending my decisions. I should retake, got it. Does anyone mind actually answering the question I asked.....

romothesavior wrote:I agree you'll probably benefit from the down cycle, but how much is really hard to say. You'll have a shot at MVPGD but probably out in the T6.

Good luck.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:49 pm

OP, I have put off law school for several years myself. It has truly negatively impacted me, because I'm going to get into politics, which requires building connections years in advance of actually running. Here is the thing though: The name of your law degree will follow you around forever. So don't blow your AA URM ace in the hole because of laziness, stress or dreading having to put off law school one more year.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:55 pm

ND, UCLA and USC are fine schools. They really are. If you were studying for an engineering, accounting or finance degree, you would do really well for yourself. But this is law we are talking about. A field which is oversaturated. Those three schools aren't worth $250K in interest and loan payments once everything is set and done. Go to a financial website and input $150K at 8% interest and see what you would have ended up paying at the end of the loan. A few more points and you will get a law degree from one of the most elite law schools in the world. The sky is the limit from that point forward.

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby BlaqBella » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:06 pm

hope14 wrote:URM - AA Female, decent softs: Masters degree, CPA, 2 years out of school with good work experience. Took Dec LSAT (I'm not retaking) and sent all my apps in early January please chance me on the below schools.

USC
Cornell
Harvard
Stanford
Duke
Columbia
Georgetown
Penn
ND
UCLA
NYU

Thank you for your opinions!


Hey hope, from one URM female to another, best wishes this cycle. Please keep us posted on your admits.

My predictions given your numbers

Reach and Haily Mary
Harvard
Stanford

Slim Chance (<5%)
Columbia
NYU


Between Slim and Good
Penn
Duke
Georgetown


Good Chance (Likely Admit)
Cornell
Notre Dame
UCLA
USC


Please send an application out to Northwestern. Good luck!

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Re: 162/3.45

Postby PRgradBYU » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:47 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Please send an application out to Northwestern. Good luck!


This. Your WE would make you decently competitive at Northwestern. But I agree with what everyone else is saying about retaking the LSAT! Even 2 or 3 points higher in your case would make a huge difference. Law school should never be a "now or never" decision. You just can't afford to be thinking like that.

That being said, you'll still probably have a good cycle.




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