AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

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AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby wbrother » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:50 pm

Hey All,

So as the topic line states, I'm an AA URM with a 164 LSAT and a 3.21 GPA w/upward trend (2.61, 3.10, 3.81). My father passed away freshmen year, and it took awhile for me to deal with that. I also have a shop lifting infraction (not a misdemeanor or felony) from over a year ago. I've been told that my AA URM Status makes my numbers look good, but I'm worried about the infraction and if AdComs will think of my "overcoming adversity."
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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby wert3813 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:08 am

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby wbrother » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:39 am

Yes, it was less than two years ago. It was October 2011.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby PickledPanda » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:48 am

Shoplifting is a bigger deal than something like possession of marijuana or assault and battery. Adcomms and the state bars all hate crimes involving dishonesty, which shoplifting does. Especially since this infraction is so recent, you will raise a lot of eyebrows. Of course, if you lie/hide it they may find out anyways and you'll face expulsion.

You're probably a WL/Out at all of the t-14, except maybe you will find sympathy from one or two 7-14. You're going to need to cast a wide net. HYSCCN definitely out though.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby wert3813 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:54 pm

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:07 pm

PickledPanda wrote:Shoplifting is a bigger deal than something like possession of marijuana or assault and battery. Adcomms and the state bars all hate crimes involving dishonesty, which shoplifting does. Especially since this infraction is so recent, you will raise a lot of eyebrows. Of course, if you lie/hide it they may find out anyways and you'll face expulsion.

You're probably a WL/Out at all of the t-14, except maybe you will find sympathy from one or two 7-14. You're going to need to cast a wide net. HYSCCN definitely out though.


This person is WAAAAAY OFF. You are DEFINITELY in at some of the top 14 assuming that they don't take into account the shoplifting. I don't really know how that kind of thing plays into admissions. But based off of your stats (Black 164 LSAT and 3.2 GPA) alone you should get into a top 14 or 2. You won't get HYS and probably not Columbia or Chicago. But the rest of them are very possible.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby wert3813 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:44 pm

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:58 pm

wert3813 wrote:Lol. You accuse another persons prediction of being way off then openly admit that there is a giant factor you aren't considering. Shoplifting is a big deal. Finally you arrive at near the exact same conclusion 1-2 T14ers. Great post.


That's because the factor that the previous poster is (well at least what we're assuming) basing his/her response on (shoplifting) really isn't something that anyone can use to chance admissions unless they are an adcomm or they personally applied to top 14 schools as a Black 164 3.2 with a shoplifting. That is too specific to make any real estimate. On the other hand, a 3.2 Black applicant with a 164 is a known quantity. And someone with that profile will get into a top 14.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby wbrother » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:37 pm

I'm honestly just hoping to get into some T50s, specifically Hastings. I know T14 is probably out of my reach. I'm just hoping that stupid decision doesn't completely alter the course of my life.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby sinfiery » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:31 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
wert3813 wrote:Lol. You accuse another persons prediction of being way off then openly admit that there is a giant factor you aren't considering. Shoplifting is a big deal. Finally you arrive at near the exact same conclusion 1-2 T14ers. Great post.


That's because the factor that the previous poster is (well at least what we're assuming) basing his/her response on (shoplifting) really isn't something that anyone can use to chance admissions unless they are an adcomm or they personally applied to top 14 schools as a Black 164 3.2 with a shoplifting. That is too specific to make any real estimate. On the other hand, a 3.2 Black applicant with a 164 is a known quantity. And someone with that profile will get into a top 14.

Then this would be the proper response to his post.
Your initial response remains terrible and idiotic.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:33 pm

sinfiery wrote:Then this would be the proper response to his post.
Your initial response remains terrible and idiotic.


LOL you really gotta try to lose your virginity one of these days. It's great stress relief.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby sinfiery » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:36 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Then this would be the proper response to his post.
Your initial response remains terrible and idiotic.


LOL you really gotta try to lose your virginity one of these days. It's great stress relief.

ouch
my ego

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby wbrother » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:52 am

So T14 is most likely out, but what about T50? Can my AA URM cancel out my Infraction?

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Upward Trend

Postby patrickd139 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:03 am

wert3813 wrote:
wbrother wrote:Yes, it was less than two years ago. It was October 2011.


Good Advice That You Don't Want To Hear: Wait a bit and let that shoplifting charge get a few years behind you.

This, 100% this.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby wbrother » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:25 am

In CA at least, if you the amount that you stole is less than a certain amount ($100 maybe, but I'm not sure), then you can get cited for an infraction. It's up to the arresting officer's discretion at the point of arrest, the DA's decision in court, and the Judge's decision after that. In my case, I had no priors and I stole $35 worth of groceries (no booze was the key). So I only got cited for a shoplifting infraction. I should also mention that I already applied to schools and disclosed this. Did I blow it, or do I still have T50 chances in your opinions?

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby wbrother » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:54 am

Wormfather wrote:
wbrother wrote:In CA at least, if you the amount that you stole is less than a certain amount ($100 maybe, but I'm not sure), then you can get cited for an infraction. It's up to the arresting officer's discretion at the point of arrest, the DA's decision in court, and the Judge's decision after that. In my case, I had no priors and I stole $35 worth of groceries (no booze was the key). So I only got cited for a shoplifting infraction. I should also mention that I already applied to schools and disclosed this. Did I blow it, or do I still have T50 chances in your opinions?


You still have a good shot, this will be an adcom by adcom thing. But seeing as how by the time you sit for the bar this will be 5+ years in your past most LS should be ok with it. Just stay out of trouble.

Oh and in you're CF addendum, please mention that it was groceries. Dont explain why you stole groceries. I dont know you but when I read that someone stole groceries, I dont think "that criminal" I think "damn, how sad".

On XXX I was caught stealing $35 worth of groceries and charged with XXX and infraction. The result was XXX and I have not got into any trouble since.


Yeah, I definitely mentioned it was groceries. And I'm definitely not going to do anything stupid like that again. I guess I'll have to see which adcoms are forgiving. I'm just hoping I don't get shut out.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:14 pm

Curious about an earlier post which stated that shoplifting is viewed more seriously than assault & battery. Any basis for this claim ? Aren't acts of violence are viewed more seriously than shoplifting ?

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:51 pm

Assault & battery, not just assault. Seems as if the circumstances would be important for each of these two offenses. Stealing food or diapers differs in degree of moral depravity than shoplifting a non-necessity such as an expensive piece of jewelry. Assault & battery in a roommate or family relationship might be mitigated by a permanent separation whereas attacking someone in public or in a business setting might arouse more serious questions & concerns. In short, it seems like the facts would be taken into consideration for these types of offenses &, therefore, it is hard to categorize one as more serious than the other (although my personal belief is that an offense involving violence such as assault & battery is the more serious of the two crimes).

To be clear, I don't know the answer--this is just my opinion.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:58 pm

OP: A single incident of dishonesty, even though recent, may not be an absolute barrier to admission. Try to explain it as a lapse in judgment during a period of desperation (if true).

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby uvabro » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:43 pm

im sure ull get into a t-14. they might just be more wary about letting u use the library.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby wbrother » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:54 pm

uvabro wrote:im sure ull get into a t-14. they might just be more wary about letting u use the library.


This is the best thing I've read on here.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby uvabro » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:01 pm

wbrother wrote:
uvabro wrote:im sure ull get into a t-14. they might just be more wary about letting u use the library.


This is the best thing I've read on here.

thanks i need my writing in tip top shape for exams.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:15 pm

Coincidentally, Yahoo just shared a list of the top 10 most shoplifted items in the US. Number one on the list is filet mignon. So much for the desperation angle.

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Re: AA URM 164/3.21 Shoplifting Infraction

Postby red8aron » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:37 pm

I woulden't be too confident. Infractions do major stuff to your app. Even more to URM students because soft factors are key. I had a friend with a 170 and 3.7 who went to a T2 because of a DUI. Just anecdotal, but you should put some serious time into explaining the infraction.




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