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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby TheThriller » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:13 pm

If the half AA counts then you're looking at HYS

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby zomginternets » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:17 pm

I think Y, S, and Berkeley will all be very interested in your background.

Pepperdine and UCSD is not worth the app fee.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby catholicgirl » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:27 pm

Your softs are impressive but don't matter as much as you being half AA.

Enjoy one of the T-6.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby twenty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:39 pm

You're probably looking at a full ride at Cornell. HYS might be a little rough because of your GPA, but definitely worth a shot.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby Typhoon24 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:44 pm

Enjoy U-Chicago or better.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby hichvichwoh » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:46 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
catholicgirl wrote:Your softs are impressive but don't matter as much as you being half AA.

Enjoy one of the T-6.


Thanks everyone. A few questions:

1) Half AA is URM and that is the ethical consensus correct?
2) Is the boost really that immense? More than those softs? That's interesting if so.
3) Am I actually competitive at HYS with that GPA?


LOL @ ethical consensus. If your idea of ethical is "whatever the rules say," then sure. In any case yes to (2) and (3).

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby PickledPanda » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:36 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
hichvichwoh wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
catholicgirl wrote:Your softs are impressive but don't matter as much as you being half AA.

Enjoy one of the T-6.


Thanks everyone. A few questions:

1) Half AA is URM and that is the ethical consensus correct?
2) Is the boost really that immense? More than those softs? That's interesting if so.
3) Am I actually competitive at HYS with that GPA?


LOL @ ethical consensus. If your idea of ethical is "whatever the rules say," then sure. In any case yes to (2) and (3).


Moral integrity > getting into a school. My father, the Iranian American half, has been a relative non-factor in my life. Most of my experiences and identity lay with my single mom, the AA half, as well as with impoverished and unprivileged, mostly minority, groups in urban LA. If this weren't the case I would almost certainly not be checking that box - I would encourage the same for others.


You don't click "URM" in the application. You put down your race(s). The school decides if you are URM. In your case you put that you are African American and "- - - -" (The box that identifies the heritage from your dad). Ethics aren't involved in putting that down. You either put the true races that you are or you don't and risk expulsion from school and denial from the bar.

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Postby PickledPanda » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:24 am

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
+1. Didn't know it wasn't a URM box - that helps a lot. Thanks!


NP enjoy CCN or maybe HYS.

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Postby hohenheim » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:53 am

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This part confused me. Are you done with undergrad? If so, no, your lsac gpa will not go up. Masters programs don't count towards it (though it is a nice soft).
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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby NoodleyOne » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:26 am

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
PickledPanda wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
+1. Didn't know it wasn't a URM box - that helps a lot. Thanks!


NP enjoy CCN or maybe HYS.


Thanks, we'll see. I'm shooting for Cornell, anything else is gravy.

Aim higher and less cold.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby WhiskeynCoke » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:10 pm

1) Part URM counts and is the ethical consensus correct?
2) Is the boost really that immense? More than those softs? That's interesting if so.
3) Am I actually competitive at HYS with that GPA?


1. Is Tiger Woods black? Yes, part counts.
2. Yes, and AA male gets the best boost. In addition, there are VERY few AA 170+ scorers (like almost none.. look it up)
3. Yes.
HYS might be a little rough because of your GPA, but definitely worth a shot.


I disagree. You are an AA male (most sought URM) with a 170+ (unicorn status), who has done some incredibly compelling shit with his life thus far. I think your GPA addendum, in the context of the rest of your story and resume, may be one of the few on the planet that will actually cause adcomms to cut you some slack for the GPA.

I think you're looking VERY solid at Harvard, and definitely a lock everything below it. Remember, with Harvard's huge class size (around 560) they can afford to take quite a few low GPAs without tanking their median (or even 25th), especially if they belong to 170+ LSAT, AA males with your background.

Y/S are up in the air because of your GPA, but I think you've a solid chance at either. Maybe 50/50. You're background, URM status, and LSAT might be too hard for them to pass up.

Pepperdine and UCSD is not worth the app fee.


Add Hastings to that list. They don't give merit fee-waivers and have no money to give scholarships anyway, which would be the only reason you'd apply (for leverage against other schools). You'll have multiple T14 full-scholarship offers. Only apply to schools you'd go to if they were free below that. You shouldn't go to Hastings, even for free.

The only places higher than Cornell that really appeal to me are Columbia, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, and Harvard. Not a huge fan of Michigan, Duke, VA, GTown, NYU, Berkeley, and Yale - I would be honored for acceptance to any of them obviously and I still have to visit and consider $ so take all that with a grain of salt I guess.


This seems like a really arbitrary list of "likes" and "dislikes." What are you basing this on? It's obviously not location (Berkeley vs Stanford, NYU vs Columbia). I think if you get accepted to Yale, and you turn it down to attend Northwestern, you should be shot.

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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby Doorkeeper » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:15 am

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Thanks everyone. A few questions:

1) Part URM counts and is the ethical consensus correct?
2) Is the boost really that immense? More than those softs? That's interesting if so.
3) Am I actually competitive at HYS with that GPA?

1) Yes it counts. Yes it's ethical.
2) The boost is immense. More so for LSAT than GPA, but it puts you in the game for HYS.
3) You have a chance, but your GPA is low for URM acceptances to HYS. You need to work all you can to get your GPA as high as possible before you graduate. If you can get your GPA up to 3.65 or 3.70, you'd have a much better chance. This being said, your softs may give you a much better than average shot with your GPA. Make sure that you write both a diversity addendum and a GPA addendum to explain your situation.

You'll definitely get into two of three of CCN. NYU wouldn't be so bad if you're interested in legal philosophy, for obvious reasons. Even if Waldron and Dworkin are part-time now.
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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby Lawquacious » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:21 am

Dood... "super softs" has nothing to do with this. Your numbers make you in at T14, even despite your URM status. Do more research before posting such threads.
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Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:44 am

Lawquacious wrote:Dood... "super softs" has nothing to do with this. Your number make you in at T14, even despite your URM status. Do more research before posting such threads.


Didn't realize the wealth of information around here. I'll certainly look around more before making a thread about something.
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Re: URM - 3.56/170 - super softs. T14 chances?

Postby Doorkeeper » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:09 am

If you don't get HYS and you really want to study legal philosophy, NYU is by far the best option of the CCN schools. Stanford is pretty useless too since they don't have any philosophers on the law faculty. Bonus points if you could somehow get a joint-JD/PhD going at NYU. That's the dream.

I'd be happy to talk in more detail via PM.
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