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172 3.05 for CA

Postby citmon » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:07 pm

My target market is Southern California (LA/OC/SD). Should I bother putting an ED to UCLA or is that a complete waste since they're so splitter unfriendly? I'm not sure if I want to do binding ED to UVA or Penn because I really don't want to be stuck on the East Coast for longer than necessary. What schools would give me the best shot at the LA market? I have work experience and a hard science background so NU is definitely a possibility too.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby twenty » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:59 pm

You're pretty much a lock at ED to UVA, and it seems like you have a decent shot at ED UPenn. However, both schools are very likely going to put you in a spot where you spend at least two years in NYC if you do Biglaw. If you don't want to do that, I honestly don't think you should go to law school -- at least not this cycle. Even USC won't go for a 3.0~, and anything below that is sketchy.

So, if you're okay with extra years on the east coast, ED, apply RD to NU, GULC and whichever of UVA/UPenn you didn't ED to. If you're not okay with that, apply RD to all the T1s in your local area, Pepperdine, UCI, USD, and so on. While conventional TLS wisdom says "omg alwayz no to pepperTTTine", if you can manage a full ride, and you go in with the mentality that you will absolutely drop out if you don't make the stipulation cut (assuming there is one), then fine. Worst case scenario, you've wasted money for books and a year of your life.

If it were me, I'd ED. Risk benefit and all that.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby SaintsTheMetal » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:47 pm

I'd go for a huge scholarship at Loyola/Pepperdine/UC system/USD. Apply to all 6 of those and with negotiation you should definitely be able to end up attending a California T1 law school for very cheap.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:20 am

CA is tough for splitters. USC and UCLA will be tougher to land than some T-14s, and Stanford and Berkeley are definitely out. Even going well down the rankings may not land you anything close to a full ride scholarship at any Tier 1/2 California schools, as the biggest ones are reserved for applicants above both medians.

This LSN user has a similar profile to yours and ultimately chose the Northwestern at sticker option. Notice the minimal scholarships received at places like USD, USF, UCI, etc.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby citmon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:34 pm

twentypercentmore wrote:You're pretty much a lock at ED to UVA, and it seems like you have a decent shot at ED UPenn. However, both schools are very likely going to put you in a spot where you spend at least two years in NYC if you do Biglaw. If you don't want to do that, I honestly don't think you should go to law school -- at least not this cycle. Even USC won't go for a 3.0~, and anything below that is sketchy.

So, if you're okay with extra years on the east coast, ED, apply RD to NU, GULC and whichever of UVA/UPenn you didn't ED to. If you're not okay with that, apply RD to all the T1s in your local area, Pepperdine, UCI, USD, and so on. While conventional TLS wisdom says "omg alwayz no to pepperTTTine", if you can manage a full ride, and you go in with the mentality that you will absolutely drop out if you don't make the stipulation cut (assuming there is one), then fine. Worst case scenario, you've wasted money for books and a year of your life.

If it were me, I'd ED. Risk benefit and all that.


What do you think about my chances at RD Penn/UVA? I'm willing to give the schools a shot, but I really don't like the binding ED as I would like as many options open as possible. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I won't get money, so I want to get into the best school possible for working in socal.

Tiago Splitter wrote:This LSN user has a similar profile to yours and ultimately chose the Northwestern at sticker option. Notice the minimal scholarships received at places like USD, USF, UCI, etc.


$75000 at UCI doesn't seem that bad as I'd be close enough where I could potentially live at home so theres no COL expense. But I'm not too sure about UCI's job prospects coming out.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby goden » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:39 pm

citmon wrote:What do you think about my chances at RD Penn/UVA? I'm willing to give the schools a shot, but I really don't like the binding ED as I would like as many options open as possible. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I won't get money, so I want to get into the best school possible for working in socal.

This thread may be of some interest to you.

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Re: 172 3.05 for CA

Postby bankruptedcasino » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:01 pm

You're in a bid of a bind. Your LSAT will provide you with an opportunity to go to law school for free, but you're targeting a legal market that is so awash that with lawyers anything less than a degree from one of the very best schools in the country will leave you relegated to the wonders of ambulance chasing and representing those that were recently bitten by a canine.

On the other hand, you're a lock for Northwestern but they won't give you any money. So you'll have $250k in debt -- and there is no guarantee that you'd find a job in LA. OC and SD are probable, but the firms that are located there may not interview on your campus (I'm assuming you want biglaw, and with $250k in debt, well, you'd have to want it).

Here's my two cents:

I'd throw a bone to UCLA and USC and see what they think. You're a hard science major so that may help you because most hard sciences still curve to a 3.0 while the rest of us Poli Sci majors get to swim in the cool, clear waters of massive grade inflation.

I would then smatter the T14 and go to a school where I'd pay the least. That, in all likelihood, would be UVA. For schools in SoCal, I'd only apply to USC, UCLA, and Loyola (depsite what some people on here might say it's a feeder school for Tier 2 law firms in LA, and if your grades are high enough you'll get offers from OMM, Paul Hastings, etc. assuming you don't transfer). Loyola will also likely let you attend for free.

I wouldn't dream of going to any other school in SoCal regardless of the cost. (1) Your LSAT is too high to justify turning down the prestige of going to one of the best law schools in the country, and (2) most of them are festering diploma mills that are completely incapable of providing their graduates with gainful employment upon graduation.




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