168 / 3.7 lower t14?

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168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:31 pm

My only soft is work. My family is in no way able to help me financially and I have worked full time in school. I work in retail sales / low level management position. Would this help in getting into Northwestern?

I think I will get accepted into at least 1 of Duke, Northwestern, Georgetown, and Cornell.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby thederangedwang » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:32 pm

if you are not URM, then you might get one, but it is by no means guarenteed. I think its 40/60 against you.

Retake and get 170+ if at all possible. If not, ED to a lower t14 and pray

edit: i think im being more negative actually...you'll probably get one
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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby Samara » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:33 pm

Northwestern only counts post-graduate WE. Rrrrrrretake!

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:59 pm

If I retake and I do a little worse how badly will it hurt me for say Cornell? My only concern with retaking is that I did very well on RC section and I normally did poorly on that sections in practice. On the three other sections I did a little worse than I normally did. This put me a few points lower than I was averaging about on preptests so I feel its a very real possibility that I do a little worse on the retake.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby Samara » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:03 pm

jdpitt wrote:If I retake and I do a little worse how badly will it hurt me for say Cornell? My only concern with retaking is that I did very well on RC section and I normally did poorly on that sections in practice. On the three other sections I did a little worse than I normally did. This put me a few points lower than I was averaging about on preptests so I feel its a very real possibility that I do a little worse on the retake.

A lower score won't have much of an effect and the risk is greatly outweighed by the potential reward. Retake again if you have to. At the very least, sign for October and start studying. You can always cancel beforehand.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby gavinstevens » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:48 pm

I applied last cycle with a slightly higher GPA and the best I got was sticker at Cornell (I have similarly weak softs). Others got money at Cornell, Vandy, or UT with our numbers.

So if you're comfortable with sticker at one of these three, you have a descent shot, but really retake (I know, a novel idea). Sticker at any of the above mentioned schools seems like a bad idea to me.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:56 pm

What are my options as far as ED? Would I have a shot at Penn or Mich?

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby top30man » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:12 pm

jdpitt wrote:What are my options as far as ED? Would I have a shot at Penn or Mich?

Penn no. Mich maybe if the gpa is more like a 3.75. I wouldnt ED.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:23 pm

Could I apply ED to Mich and retake in October and if I hit the 170 mark cancel my ED to RD?

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby top30man » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:52 pm

jdpitt wrote:Could I apply ED to Mich and retake in October and if I hit the 170 mark cancel my ED to RD?

Schools won't look kindly on you switching to RD. if you're going to retake, I'd just wait to apply. I waited to apply until after October scores came out.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:08 pm

Im concerned how well I will do in October. I was thinking the test was near the end of the month but obviously its not so I would only have about a month to study.

Also my gpa will be closer to 3.6 not 3.7 unless I have this current semesters classes counted. Would it maybe be a better idea to retake in december? I know I could apply
Ed to penns second round if I had to.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby mr.hands » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:58 pm

Zero shot at Penn. Michigan is in play but probably not going to happen. I think you're safe at Cornell, though.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:42 pm

So best bet would probably be to retake in Oct and if I am not ready at all just cancel and apply ED to Mich? Taking December test and applying seems like it would be a negative unless I did a lot better.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby Yardbird » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:21 pm

Possibly Boalt. Your GPA is below their median but above the 25th %ile, LSAT is above median but within the 75th %ile (basically a small splitter there). I wouldn't ED with your GPA.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:57 am

I don't know I would like to go to Berkeley even if I got in, it's a long way from the east.

Why not ED with my gpa?

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby mr.hands » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:41 am

Because you'd lock yourself into one of the most expensive schools in the country with almost no chance at money. This is a down cycle so your numbers could garner some money from similar schools. If it does, Berkeley's matching program might be receptive

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby El_Gallo » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:14 am

As someone with very similar stats I got sticker at Cornell. I was rejected at Berkeley, which was the other T14 I applied to. If you are set on attending a T14 I would ED to Michigan. If that falls through, hopefully you get Cornell. I doubt you will get Duke or Northwestern.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby catholicgirl » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:17 am

Have you thought about Eding UVA?

ETA: if you retook and were able to crack 170.
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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby El_Gallo » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:19 am

catholicgirl wrote:Have you thought about Eding UVA?


IMO, OP would have virtually no shot at UVA because he is below both medians.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby catholicgirl » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:30 am

El_Gallo wrote:
catholicgirl wrote:Have you thought about Eding UVA?


IMO, OP would have virtually no shot at UVA because he is below both medians.


Yup. Sorry. Didn't realize I left off a sentence in my original post. If he was able to crack 170 in October, he might have a decent shot.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby jdpitt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:36 am

I would be OK with sticker at Mich because I may end up doing a MBA/JD and they have one of the best buis schools. This is also why I am ok with Cornell the school I just would prefer something not so rural. I want to study law but if I get a chance at a good finance job after I will go that route and all the big banks recruit at these schools.

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby Liquox » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:38 pm

honestly, i think you'll be fine as long as you apply early and have decent cv/essays. if people can get into nyu and uchi with 168/3.85, you can land cornell or gtown

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby mr.hands » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:45 pm

Liquox wrote:honestly, i think you'll be fine as long as you apply early and have decent cv/essays. if people can get into nyu and uchi with 168/3.85, you can land cornell or gtown


The difference is that a 3.85 is above the median GPAs of most T14s outside HYS. A 3.7 is right around median and 168 is below median. OP isn't a splitter.

Cornell is in play, GULC maybe. Duke, UVA, et al. are out

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Re: 168 / 3.7 lower t14?

Postby Mr Madison » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:19 pm

Based on what I saw from last year's cycle and assuming the amount of LSAT takers continues to decrease or stays constant, you probably have a very good chance at Cornell, and to a lesser extent GULC. I think you may be above both medians at Cornell but don't quote me on that




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