Very non-traditional

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby jmjm » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:35 pm

deadpoetnsp wrote:
Nova wrote:
deadpoetnsp wrote:. Your foreign UG GPA will count as a zero/blank/null for admissions purposes. You can consider it to be a 3.3 (B+ average) since it neither helps nor hurts law school ranks.

If you want to use Law School Numbers, plug in a 3.3 to get the most accurate results. Using the schools median GPA, as you did with H above, will lead to wrong predictions. Your age won't hurt you.


I agree with everything in your post except the 3.3 part. Certainly, having been through a cycle yourself with a forign UGPA, you have much more personal experiance than I. However a 3.3 is shit relative to the top law schools. Not helping or hurting their ranks = median. IMO, 3.3 would give a conservative and rather pessimistic prediction. plugging in an A-, 3.66, would probably result in more accurate chances.


Mathematically, you are absolutely correct. But what happened with me was I was not even wait-listed at "strong-consider" (using school medians) schools, but flat-out denied. Maybe since the T14s are at the extremes of the bell curve, I think the law of averages enters the twilight zone. Or my interpretation of consider/strong consider as "waitlist" is incorrect. Or my overall application was weird or something :)


With median gpa mylsn.info yields some chance even with an upper 160s lsat at the very top lschools.

Considering how clear number driven law school admission appears to be, there could be a form of correction they apply to foreign ug gpa. I am not sure if they can paint all foreign ug gpa with the same brush marking them as median for admission purposes.

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby nygrrrl » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:39 pm

JCFindley wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:Your LSAT score will be the big factor. Your grad degreee will not be counted (except as a soft) and your age is completely not a factor. (There are lots of mid 30s law students. Lots of them.)


There are even some in their forties....

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby JCFindley » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:08 pm

:wink:

nygrrrl wrote:
JCFindley wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:Your LSAT score will be the big factor. Your grad degreee will not be counted (except as a soft) and your age is completely not a factor. (There are lots of mid 30s law students. Lots of them.)


There are even some in their forties....

:mrgreen: Hello, school-mate!

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby jmjm » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:57 pm

Nova wrote:
deadpoetnsp wrote:. Your foreign UG GPA will count as a zero/blank/null for admissions purposes. You can consider it to be a 3.3 (B+ average) since it neither helps nor hurts law school ranks.

If you want to use Law School Numbers, plug in a 3.3 to get the most accurate results. Using the schools median GPA, as you did with H above, will lead to wrong predictions. Your age won't hurt you.


I agree with everything in your post except the 3.3 part. Certainly, having been through a cycle yourself with a forign UGPA, you have much more personal experiance than I. However a 3.3 is shit relative to the top law schools. Not helping or hurting their ranks = median. IMO, 3.3 would give a conservative and rather pessimistic prediction. plugging in an A-, 3.66, would probably result in more accurate chances.


Could you share you source about foreign ug being treated as median even though the present argument is compelling?

One of the things that puzzling about it is that admissions may be differentiating (in some convoluted way) amongst foreign ugrads who have gpa of 2.5, 3.3, and 3.9. Would they assign all of them the median gpa?

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby haus » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:13 pm

jmjm wrote:Could you share you source about foreign ug being treated as median even though the present argument is compelling?

One of the things that puzzling about it is that admissions may be differentiating (in some convoluted way) amongst foreign ugrads who have gpa of 2.5, 3.3, and 3.9. Would they assign all of them the median gpa?

jmjm,

I suspect that a small level of interest will given to your foreign undergrad GPA, but more than likely it will fall much closer to a soft (such as the of a graduate degree GPA, i.e. not much, but can come into play for tie-breaker type situations) than that of a traditional undergrad GPA would usually play. This all goes back to the simple explanation that a foreign GPA will not become part of the complied stats that make up the US News rankings, hence the schools have freedom to take other matters into consideration.

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby Nova » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:16 pm

jmjm wrote:
Nova wrote:
deadpoetnsp wrote:. Your foreign UG GPA will count as a zero/blank/null for admissions purposes. You can consider it to be a 3.3 (B+ average) since it neither helps nor hurts law school ranks.

If you want to use Law School Numbers, plug in a 3.3 to get the most accurate results. Using the schools median GPA, as you did with H above, will lead to wrong predictions. Your age won't hurt you.


I agree with everything in your post except the 3.3 part. Certainly, having been through a cycle yourself with a forign UGPA, you have much more personal experiance than I. However a 3.3 is shit relative to the top law schools. Not helping or hurting their ranks = median. IMO, 3.3 would give a conservative and rather pessimistic prediction. plugging in an A-, 3.66, would probably result in more accurate chances.


Could you share you source about foreign ug being treated as median even though the present argument is compelling?

One of the things that puzzling about it is that admissions may be differentiating (in some convoluted way) amongst foreign ugrads who have gpa of 2.5, 3.3, and 3.9. Would they assign all of them the median gpa?


I have talked about this IRL with others with foreign GPAs. Im also inferring from what haus said. Schools are all gaming the USNWR. You are a game piece that doesnt affect the LGPA median and hopefully helps the LSAT median. Everything else is a soft. I can say with certainty that someone with a 3.0 LGPA/171 is a million times worse off than someone with a 3.0 non-LGPA/171

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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby Nova » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:10 pm

pferaso, Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:04 pm wrote:
jobegood wrote:Hi,

I'm currently finishing a global studies (political science and international relations) B.A at UCSB and since I want to go to law school I'd like to know if anyone has information about international students acceptance rates.
I'm from France, I have a 3.8 GPA so far but no LSAT score yet (I know it makes it impossible to concretely chance me). But I'd still like to know if with this GPA and a correct LSAT score (btw 155-165) does it give me an advantage compared to an American with the exact same scores, since English isn't my first language, or does it put me in the same boat as everyone else in term of admissions (to get to schools like Arizona State, U of Florida, Stetson, Texas Austin and U of Houston)

Hope this is readable, thanks in advance



International student here, now accepted to a T-14. You will not have a significant advantage in the admission process just because you are from other country. The LSAT is the most important factor in your application regardless where you come from or what you did before. Of course, other factors may help you, but no more than a few LSAT points. Belive me, I experienced this during my application cycle (20+ schools), no one gave me a significant advantage.


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Re: Very non-traditional

Postby jmjm » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:36 pm

very useful. Thanks all.




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