Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

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Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby LAallday » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:24 pm

Hey wanted to see what people think of my chances at a good law school.

got a 153 on the LSAT, I have a 3.82 from UCLA undergrad (graduated Cum Laude)

been out of school for 2 years (3 including this coming year) and I have worked full time as a legal assistant in a top IP firm.

Great letters of rec, extra curricular activies

cant retake, advice?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Nova » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:25 pm

Why cant you retake in October?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby LAallday » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:30 pm

cant retake cause ive done the 3 lsats in 2 year period.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:31 pm

LAallday wrote:cant retake cause ive done the 3 lsats in 2 year period I'm lazy.



All kidding aside, when is your next chance to retake?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Systematic1 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:32 pm

Cooley

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby LAallday » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:32 pm

im applying with what i have (waste of good gpa, i know)

are my chances bad a top 50-100 school? preferably in CA

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:33 pm

LAallday wrote:im applying with what i have (waste of good gpa, i know)

are my chances bad a top 50-100 school? preferably in CA


Just stop. You're going to regret it if you follow through with what you say.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby LAallday » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:34 pm

why?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby top30man » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:38 pm

nmop_apisdn wrote:
LAallday wrote:im applying with what i have (waste of good gpa, i know)

are my chances bad a top 50-100 school? preferably in CA


Just stop. You're going to regret it if you follow through with what you say.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Nova » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:39 pm

I would suggest waiting till you could retake, because a 3.8 is awesome. It is at or above ever schools 75th percentile outside the T20. However a 153 is below or around ever 25th percentile at every T1/TT.

Splitter cycles are hard to predict. Your should probably cast a wide net.

Here are your chances (roughly), based on LSN since 2006, at the top 100 schools:

http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... d=Included

(LSAT 150-155) (GPA 3.75-3.85) (not including URMs)

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:40 pm

LAallday wrote:why?


Keep lurking TLS and you'll see.

Just think: Loads of debt from a shitty(er) school and shitty(er) job prospects. Say goodbye to boats and hoes.

In short, your GPA is T10 worthy with $. The only thing holding you back is your LSAT.

Stick your nose in an LSAT book and get crackin. This is not a "should I retake or not". You NEED to retake.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Systematic1 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:41 pm

LAallday wrote:why?

$250,000 debt, dismal job prospects.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:42 pm

Nova wrote:I would suggest waiting till you could retake, because a 3.8 is awesome. It is at or above ever schools 75th percentile outside the T20. However a 153 is below or around ever 25th percentile at every T1/TT.

Splitter cycles are hard to predict. Your should probably cast a wide net.

Here are your chances (roughly), based on LSN since 2006, at the top 100 schools:

http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... d=Included

(LSAT 150-155) (GPA 3.75-3.85) (not including URMs)


+1

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Nova » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:42 pm

LAallday wrote:why?


Nmop is right. The LSAT is beatable, and now that you found TLS, you have a much better chance of beating it.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Nova » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:45 pm

nmop_apisdn wrote: when is your next chance to retake?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:52 pm

OP: You should retake the LSAT for a fourth time. If determined to apply without a retake, then try Loyola & UC-Hastings since applications to law schools should decrease even further.

If your current law firm will hire you after law school, then there are plenty of Tier Two law schools that will take your money. Some Tier Ones may want your GPA, but they are likely to be located in the Midwest (Indiana, Illinois, Iowa & Minnesota) rather than in California.
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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:56 pm

Nova wrote:
LAallday wrote:why?


Nmop is right. The LSAT is beatable, and now that you found TLS, you have a much better chance of beating it.


Listen to this guy ^

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:56 pm

Nova wrote:
nmop_apisdn wrote: when is your next chance to retake?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby LAallday » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:43 pm

cant take it for 2 years. I understand my shitty situation will go away if i get a higher lsat but that isnt an option (unfortunately)...

so for schools like:
pepperdine
loyola
usd
chapman
cali western
hastings

are all extremely long shots?

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:58 pm

LAallday wrote:cant take it for 2 years. I understand my shitty situation will go away if i get a higher lsat but that isnt an option (unfortunately)...

so for schools like:
pepperdine
loyola
usd
chapman
cali western
hastings

are all extremely long shots?


In that case, Lawschoolnumbers.com...

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:07 pm

Those law schools are not extreme longshots for a 153/3.82 with a few years of work experience. UC-Hastings is probably the most difficult among your listed schools.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby barestin » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:08 pm

You can ask a school you want to attend to petition to LSAC to allow you to take the LSAT a 4th time this October or December. I have heard of success stories with this, just call the admissions office of a few schools and one of them is bound to bite. With those numbers, you might get into a few top 100 schools, and will get decent scholarship offers at TTT/TTTT schools. Retaking is your best option.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:10 pm

That practice was terminated last year, if I recall correctly.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby Icculus » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:15 pm

barestin wrote:You can ask a school you want to attend to petition to LSAC to allow you to take the LSAT a 4th time this October or December. I have heard of success stories with this, just call the admissions office of a few schools and one of them is bound to bite. With those numbers, you might get into a few top 100 schools, and will get decent scholarship offers at TTT/TTTT schools. Retaking is your best option.


I think this has changed and OP would need to petition LSAC directly and they are far more strict about letting the fourth test go through. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

OP, even if you need to wait two years to take you will still be far better off than applying with your LSAT. I know don't want to wait, but it is your best bet. This is coming from someone who started 1L at 31 so I know what it's like going to school as a non traditional, and even if you wait you'd be 26-27? Most people in my section were around that age. Plus you can work, save some money, and get into a school worth going to.

Remember, there is always time, and law school will always be there.

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Re: Need help.....153 lsat, 3.82 gpa

Postby top30man » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:19 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Those law schools are not extreme longshots for a 153/3.82 with a few years of work experience. UC-Hastings is probably the most difficult among your listed schools.

Yeah but even if OP gets in it will be at a price that is way too much. Op should wait two years and retake.




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