3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

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3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby teawhy? » Thu May 31, 2012 2:29 am

3.25 & 160 at ASU or UofA?

Solid softs- worked full time through 60 credits of UG & a solid public int/gov paid intern for final yr of UG. No gaps in employment for past 7 years.

Great recs.

C&F issues detailed on admissions forum.

Any help?

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Easy-E » Thu May 31, 2012 12:15 pm

teawhy? wrote:3.25 & 160 at ASU or UofA?

Solid softs- worked full time through 60 credits of UG & a solid public int/gov paid intern for final yr of UG. No gaps in employment for past 7 years.

Great recs.

C&F issues detailed on admissions forum.

Any help?


Those softs are fine, nothing amazing though. You should re-take the LSAT.

I'm guessing you want to work in Arizona? Are you in-state? Did you get money from either school?

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Nova » Thu May 31, 2012 1:05 pm

You are below both the medians at both schools. This year on LSN, no one with your numbers has been admitted. You should retake the LSAT in October. You only need an extra few points to be much more competitive.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby gaud » Thu May 31, 2012 1:08 pm

With your stats you'd be lucky to get in and pay sticker. Don't pay sticker at either of those schools. Retake and attend with fat scholarships. Good luck.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby teawhy? » Thu May 31, 2012 1:44 pm

Yes I am in state. Yes I want to practice in AZ.

One thing I have found that I can't explain comes directly from the students who attend that I have met at ASU. I straight asked them what their #'s were to get in, (I thought in a very non-dick way). The ones I met, roughly 10 or so, had around 3.0's and several scored around 157. They were white.

IDK...

And LSN only shows apps from around 100 kkids for each school compared to the thousands they recieve, that can be a little deceptive.

As far as re-taking, yes, I am going to.

As far as not going if I have to pay sticker, I want money; but would prob go at sticker to both. (ya, I know it's all gloomy out there.)

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby gaud » Thu May 31, 2012 1:48 pm

Those current students you've met, with the lower numbers, were likely accepted before ASU was making leaps and bounds in the rankings. It was easier to get in 2-3 years ago than it is today.

Good luck on your retake!

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby teawhy? » Thu May 31, 2012 1:57 pm

gaud wrote:Those current students you've met, with the lower numbers, were likely accepted before ASU was making leaps and bounds in the rankings. It was easier to get in 2-3 years ago than it is today.

Good luck on your retake!



I agree with you about wanting to get the money, and it being harder to get in now. The thing is though, those kids I met were 1L's. Not a one of them had a response I was expecting.

Thanks for the well wishes!

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Easy-E » Thu May 31, 2012 2:00 pm

teawhy? wrote:As far as not going if I have to pay sticker, I want money; but would prob go at sticker to both. (ya, I know it's all gloomy out there.)



Don't pay sticker. Kill the LSAT, get money.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Nova » Thu May 31, 2012 2:11 pm

teawhy? wrote:And LSN only shows apps from around 100 kkids for each school compared to the thousands they recieve, that can be a little deceptive.


There are often very clear lines drawn on LSN. Your numbers are on the outside looking in.

AU: 0/14 applicants have been admitted with 160/3.5 or worse. 13/13 applicants have been admitted with a 162 LSAT.

ASU: 1/22 applicants with 160/3.8 or worse have been admitted. That 1 is a URM. 19/19 applicants have been admitted with GPAs over 3.0 and LSATs between 162 and 165

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby teawhy? » Thu May 31, 2012 2:26 pm

Their (UofA) median is 161 and 3.51...

I don't think the sampling on lawschool#'s for schools like ASU and UofA are wholly represenitive.

I know I'm on the lower side of things, but for you to be typing as if I have no shot is a little out there.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby gaud » Thu May 31, 2012 2:27 pm

teawhy? wrote:Their (UofA) median is 161 and 3.51...

I don't think the sampling on lawschool#'s for schools like ASU and UofA are wholly represenitive.

I know I'm on the lower side of things, but for you to be typing as if I have no shot is a little out there.


Talking to a group of current students isn't representative either. No one is trying to tell you that there's no chance, we're all just saying that a retake is your best option.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Easy-E » Thu May 31, 2012 2:38 pm

teawhy? wrote:Their (UofA) median is 161 and 3.51...

I don't think the sampling on lawschool#'s for schools like ASU and UofA are wholly represenitive.

I know I'm on the lower side of things, but for you to be typing as if I have no shot is a little out there.



If you just wanted to hear a certain answer, and not what everyone thought, why didn't you just write a letter to yourself instead of asking a forum of strangers? People are taking the time to figure out something you should be capable of doing on your own, the least you could do is consider their advice.


You are below both medians. It's a numbers game. You do not have a good shot at either school, and if you did get in, you'd pay sticker, which is stupid.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby teawhy? » Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 pm

I'm not basin anything off of the small smapling of students I met. Anecdotal examples don't go far.

I wasn't looking for a response from myself. I just think it's kind of funny when someone takes a ref from law school #'s and says 0 got in with below a certain mark when it's 1 point less than their effin median...

Come on.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Nova » Thu May 31, 2012 3:00 pm

Medians are what contribute to USNWR rankings. Neither AZ school has any numerical incentive to admit you.

This is true across the board...

On LSN, at my school, Only 4/96 applicants have been admitted with numbers under both meidans.

1/31 applicants with LSATs 1-3 points below the median and a GPA below the median have been admitted.

1/10 applicants with an LSAT just one point below median and a GPA below median has gotten in.

However, 23/30 applicants with a median LSAT score and a below median GPA have been admitted.

33/40 Applicants with a median LSAT or 1 point above, but a GPA below the median, have been admitted. Only 1 of those 7 who have not been admitted has been rejected. The other 6 are WLed.

These trends are very real and apperant.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu May 31, 2012 4:04 pm

teawhy? wrote:One thing I have found that I can't explain comes directly from the students who attend that I have met at ASU. I straight asked them what their #'s were to get in, (I thought in a very non-dick way). The ones I met, roughly 10 or so, had around 3.0's and several scored around 157. They were white.


If you're going to come up with "anecdotes" to refute LSN you need to try a little harder than that.

ASU's 1L class only has about 200 people. Only 25% have an LSAT below 160, and only 25% have a GPA below 3.43. The people with the low GPAs are not likely to be the same ones with the low LSAT scores. Further, the few people who have both numbers below the 25th percentiles are not likely to be white.

Also, one point makes a huge difference in admissions chances when that one point gets you to the median. Admissions deans live and die by their medians.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby gaud » Thu May 31, 2012 4:09 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:Also, one point makes a huge difference in admissions chances when that one point gets you to the median. Admissions deans live and die by their medians.


especially @ ASU right now

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby Easy-E » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:14 pm

gaud wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Also, one point makes a huge difference in admissions chances when that one point gets you to the median. Admissions deans live and die by their medians.


especially @ ASU right now


Plus everyone is applying in droves there. From what I hear.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby PolySuyGuy » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:43 pm

teawhy? wrote:3.25 & 160 at ASU or UofA?

Any help?


Your only chance is U of A. You have to go back three years since I have heard of anyone with those numbers being admitted to U of A and that person was admitted two days before class started because he lived in Tucson and only applied to U of A.

I must admit that I have heard --but not confirmed-- that U of A has waitlisted a handful of people with similar numbers to this years class.

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Re: 3.25 & 160 ASU or UofA?

Postby PolySuyGuy » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:46 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
teawhy? wrote: ASU's 1L class only has about 200 people. Only 25% have an LSAT below 160, and only 25% have a GPA below 3.43. The people with the low GPAs are not likely to be the same ones with the low LSAT scores. Further, the few people who have both numbers below the 25th percentiles are not likely to be white.



Everybody wants to be the exception.

No white man with a 160 3.2 GPA will be admitted at ASU without extreme extenuating circumstances or ASU getting caught fabricating numbers.




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