Cornell, Duke, Vandy

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Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Mr.Manager » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:49 am

While none are my top choice (top for me is still UVA early), does anyone know what the chances of a 3.94/166 out of a top 20 private undergrad (I realize this doesn't really matter) might be next year at these three?

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Nelson » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:55 am

Mr.Manager wrote:While none are my top choice (top for me is still UVA early), does anyone know what the chances of a 3.94/166 out of a top 20 private undergrad (I realize this doesn't really matter) might be next year at these three?

Retake, retake, retake. You have a decent shot at Cornell (Michigan too probably) but it will be at close to sticker. I doubt you'll get Duke right out, probably WL. I don't know about Vandy. But with that GPA you shouldn't apply until you hit 170+.

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Mr.Manager » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 am

thanks, Nelson, unfortunately I can't retake again. Wish I could..

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:16 pm

Well above average chances due to your spectacular GPA, solid LSAT & expected reduction in number of law school applicants next cycle.

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Nelson » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:00 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:expected reduction in number of law school applicants next cycle.

This means nothing for his chances. There hasn't been any sign of top schools changing their criteria at all. There is still a glut of candidates even at the top end of the LSAT spectrum. A 166 isn't that hard to come by.
Mr.Manager wrote:thanks, Nelson, unfortunately I can't retake again. Wish I could..

Depending on your goals, you may want to consider a full ride at a regional in the area you want to work in. I think Michigan might be your best T14 bet. They sent some money to some below median LSAT, high GPA folks this cycle. I think Cornell would probably be sticker, which is really expensive.
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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:02 pm

Wait until next cycle & we'll see. Some law schools reduced class sizes this year to accommodate the decline in apps this cycle. Many law schools expanded class sizes to profit from the past application surges. If top law schools refuse to reduce incoming classes due to budget committments, then quality (admissions standards) are likely to decline due to increased competition for students.
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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Nelson » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:03 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Wait until next cycle & we'll see. Some law schools reduced class sizes this year to accommodate the decline in apps this cycle.

Source?

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:06 pm

Check LSDAS & individual law schools. Several reduced class sizes, but reporting is haphazard & often anecdotal.

According to LSDAS:

2012 law school applicant declines by LSAT score:

160-164 8,817 down by 18.4%
165-169 5,673 down by 18.5%
170-174 2,571 down by 20.7%
175-180 659 down by 13.6%

LSAT sittings are down by over 16% this year according to LSDAS.

check: http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data...stered.asp

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby beta » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:45 pm

obviously this is anecdotal, but i got into both vandy (with money) and uva (regular decision) this cycle with an lsat less than yours and an above 3.9 gpa. i was rejected at cornell and didnt apply to duke. however, i'm a few years out of school and have done some interesting things since. i worked very hard on my personal statement and had stellar recs. i also wrote why X statements for all the schools i really wanted to get into, and i think i've had a great cycle despite my low lsat.

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby HeavenWood » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:33 pm

Hay #s twin. I was actually deferred from Cornell EA (although looking at LSN, you probably would have gotten in this cycle). I didn't apply to Vandy, but you'd have a shot with a well-written app. I did snag Penn ED though. You'd definitely be competitive there, along with UVA, Michigan, and Duke ED.

To really play the odds, I'd ED UVA first, then, failing that, ED either Penn or Michigan. If that doesn't work, there's always Duke for ED II.

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby Mr.Manager » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:21 pm

beta wrote:obviously this is anecdotal, but i got into both vandy (with money) and uva (regular decision) this cycle with an lsat less than yours and an above 3.9 gpa. i was rejected at cornell and didnt apply to duke. however, i'm a few years out of school and have done some interesting things since. i worked very hard on my personal statement and had stellar recs. i also wrote why X statements for all the schools i really wanted to get into, and i think i've had a great cycle despite my low lsat.


Are you from Virginia? I'd love to get into UVA- it's my top choice

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby woeisme » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:27 pm

Love the username.

All three are reasonable and realistic reaches. Vandy is probably your most likely, but all three are feasible.

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Re: Cornell, Duke, Vandy

Postby beta » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:57 pm

Mr.Manager wrote:
beta wrote:obviously this is anecdotal, but i got into both vandy (with money) and uva (regular decision) this cycle with an lsat less than yours and an above 3.9 gpa. i was rejected at cornell and didnt apply to duke. however, i'm a few years out of school and have done some interesting things since. i worked very hard on my personal statement and had stellar recs. i also wrote why X statements for all the schools i really wanted to get into, and i think i've had a great cycle despite my low lsat.


Are you from Virginia? I'd love to get into UVA- it's my top choice



nope...i'm out of state!




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