Nate895 wrote: albanach wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:*sigh* And this is where you're wrong my friend. You're banking on 115 VA residents that have numbers that get them into MVPB and no higher because any higher would put them into a school that they would pick over UVA. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? You're underestimating how tough it is to get in to UVA.
So are you suggesting the Dean was either being dishonest or is misquoted when he states that there's no statistical difference in the numbers between the two groups?
if not, how do you explain the Dean's statement?
He said there was no statistically significant difference between the medians of the two groups. However, that doesn't mean there is no difference in the numbers. As Desert Fox pointed out, there are a lot more splitters admitted into UVA from in state. Basically, if you're a splitter (or reverse-splitter), in order to get into UVA, you have to either ED or be in state. That's how UVA is able to maintain their medians in that group.
Exactly. No, I'm absolutely not saying the former Dean was being dishonest. He said the "medians between the two pools are not statistically distinguishable", which is probably true. However, look at this hypothetical group of 18 admitted applicants:
Group A (In-state): 3.85/155, 3.92/158, 3.92/166, 3.85/166, 3.92/170, 3.51/170, 3.51/171, 3.0/171, 3.0/171
Group B (OutofSt.): 4.00/166, 3.85/166, 3.92/166, 3.92/170, 4.00/170, 3.85/171, 3.51/171, 3.5/180, 3.5/180
You know what these two groups have in common? They both have a median GPA of 3.85 and a median LSAT of 170, and both have 25th/75ths of 3.51-3.92 and 166-171. What is more telling here is to take the medians and also the averages
, but law schools don't have to give out that information. The average GPA of Group A is 3.61 and average LSAT is 166, while the average GPA of Group B is 3.79 and average LSAT is 171. To put it simply, if Group A's averages were their medians, they would have the same exact medians as Fordham. If Group B's averages were their medians they would have the same exact medians as NYU. This is only using 9 students per group, when you have an enrolled class of 200+ you can imagine just how wide the numbers could get. This is how you play the USNWR numbers game. So, no I don't think the dean was dishonest.