Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

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Should I apply to UVA this round? (172, 3.65, in-state, money matters)

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Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby pcwcecac » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:38 am

If so, how significant is it?

Would it influence scholly?

Thanks!
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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby MrAnon » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:40 am

No leg up. Your LSAT/GPA numbers must be in line. they don't dip to take lower numbers from residents. If its between you and an out of stater with same numbers, they'll take you.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby pcwcecac » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:42 am

Got it! Thanks!

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:51 am

Isn't Virginia limited to a certain percentage of non-residents similiar to Texas ?

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby delusional » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:53 am

pcwcecac wrote:If so, how significant is it?

Would it influence scholly?

Thanks!
I don't know what people who say there's no boost are basing it on. In a speech about the LSAT and minorities that has been posted here numerous times, a former dean of UVA says that the numbers for residents are slightly lower than the numbers for non-residents.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby pcwcecac » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:56 am

Here are my numbers:

3.65 172

My PS, 3 letters, and transcripts are ready to go. Again, I'm a VA resident.

Should I bother applying this round or wait until the next (this is specific to UVA, since I got a fee waiver from them)?

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby OrdinarilySkilled » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:01 am

pcwcecac wrote:Here are my numbers:

3.65 172

My PS, 3 letters, and transcripts are ready to go. Again, I'm a VA resident.

Should I bother applying this round or wait until the next (this is specific to UVA, since I got a fee waiver from them)?


It definitely seemed like there was a boost for me. I had almost the exact same numbers as you and was accepted a month after applying with a 75k scholarship. I applied in Sept tho (last cycle).

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby ben4847 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:04 am

I heard it is actually harder if you live in state, because everyone from in state wants to go there.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:41 am

"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website


When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:48 am

ben4847 wrote:I heard it is actually harder if you live in state, because everyone from in state wants to go there.


Unless VA residents are somehow more qualified law school applicants than the residents of all the other states in the country...

About two-thirds (I think I remember reading that somewhere) of the seats in the UVA law school are reserved for in-staters. UVA law school is one of the top schools in the nation, receiving applications from qualified applicants from across the nation who apply to the school not because everyone in their state does but because they have competitive numbers and want to attend a great law school. While "everyone" may apply who is a VA resident, that does not mean that they are as qualified as the people who self-selected to apply to UVA from OOS. I highly doubt that UVA can fill two-thirds of their class with in-state applicants that are as qualified as the other one-third of their class who happen to be OOS applicants.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby MrAnon » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:56 am

TrialLawyer16 wrote:
"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website


When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.


You guys put way too much stock into what school officials tell you.

The dean HAS to say stuff like this. What's he going to say, "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents"??

He'd be kicked out in no time.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:01 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:
ben4847 wrote:I heard it is actually harder if you live in state, because everyone from in state wants to go there.


Unless VA residents are somehow more qualified law school applicants than the residents of all the other states in the country...

About two-thirds (I think I remember reading that somewhere) of the seats in the UVA law school are reserved for in-staters. UVA law school is one of the top schools in the nation, receiving applications from qualified applicants from across the nation who apply to the school not because everyone in their state does but because they have competitive numbers and want to attend a great law school. While "everyone" may apply who is a VA resident, that does not mean that they are as qualified as the people who self-selected to apply to UVA from OOS. I highly doubt that UVA can fill two-thirds of their class with in-state applicants that are as qualified as the other one-third of their class who happen to be OOS applicants.


You've got your numbers switched around. It's 40-60 not 67-33. Everything else I agree with though. It is hard to believe that 40% of a class made up entirely of VA residents is as competitive numerically as 60% of the class made up of the entire out-of-state pool. I'd reason that VA residents definitely receive a bit of a boost. Even the quote I posted above it the former dean stated there wasn't a boost, and then pretty much implied there was at the end.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:03 pm

The two-thirds in-state requirement is for Virginia's undergraduate schools; the law school has slightly above 40% Virginia residents.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:04 pm

TrialLawyer16 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:
ben4847 wrote:I heard it is actually harder if you live in state, because everyone from in state wants to go there.


Unless VA residents are somehow more qualified law school applicants than the residents of all the other states in the country...

About two-thirds (I think I remember reading that somewhere) of the seats in the UVA law school are reserved for in-staters. UVA law school is one of the top schools in the nation, receiving applications from qualified applicants from across the nation who apply to the school not because everyone in their state does but because they have competitive numbers and want to attend a great law school. While "everyone" may apply who is a VA resident, that does not mean that they are as qualified as the people who self-selected to apply to UVA from OOS. I highly doubt that UVA can fill two-thirds of their class with in-state applicants that are as qualified as the other one-third of their class who happen to be OOS applicants.


You've got your numbers switched around. It's 40-60 not 67-33. Everything else I agree with though. It is hard to believe that 40% of a class made up entirely of VA residents is as competitive numerically as 60% of the class made up of the entire out-of-state pool. I'd reason that VA residents definitely receive a bit of a boost. Even the quote I posted above it the former dean stated there wasn't a boost, and then pretty much implied there was at the end.


40 - 60 makes more sense. Thanks.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:04 pm

MrAnon wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:
"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website


When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.


You guys put way too much stock into what school officials tell you.

The dean HAS to say stuff like this. What's he going to say, "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents"??

He'd be kicked out in no time.


If there is a required percentage of VA residents, then in my mind there undeniably has to be a slight boost. Read my post above this.

And btw I think you read that quote wrong, he was being PC and pretty much said in his first sentence "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents" - but then turned around and made a "but the numbers don't lie" type of statemenet.
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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby Br3v » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:06 pm

TrialLawyer16 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:
"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website


When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.


You guys put way too much stock into what school officials tell you.

The dean HAS to say stuff like this. What's he going to say, "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents"??

He'd be kicked out in no time.


If there is a required percentage of VA residents, then in my mind there undeniably has to be a slight boost. Read my post above this.



There is a required percentage....at least last time I read the UVA profile on this site there was.....

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby MrAnon » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:09 pm

TrialLawyer16 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:
"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website


When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.


You guys put way too much stock into what school officials tell you.

The dean HAS to say stuff like this. What's he going to say, "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents"??

He'd be kicked out in no time.


If there is a required percentage of VA residents, then in my mind there undeniably has to be a slight boost. Read my post above this.

And btw I think you read that quote wrong, he was being PC and pretty much said in his first sentence "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents" - but then turned around and made a "but the numbers don't lie" type of statemenet.


So basically he is just trying to confuse. He doesn't want solid out of state candidates to give up on his school because his overall numbers would crash, yet he is trying to please his funding masters at the state house.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:12 pm

Br3v wrote:There is a required percentage....at least last time I read the UVA profile on this site there was.....

TITCR

"Prospective students should keep in mind that the University of Virginia is a publicly-funded university. Consequently, it reserves 40 percent of its seats for residents and the remaining 60 percent for nonresidents. This leaves nonresidents at a slight disadvantage, which is discussed in more detail below." - TLS UVA profile

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:13 pm

MrAnon wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:"There is no particular “boost” given to residents. But residents have mathematics on their side. We receive over nine nonresident applications for every resident application – people are really shocked by this figure. Yet nonresidents get only 1.5 seats for every resident seat in the entering class – 60 percent nonresidents to 40 percent residents. I often joke that getting in as a nonresident is ridiculously difficult (for nonresidents) rather than just being plain hard (for residents)." - Former UVA Assistant Dean Jason Trujillo in TLS' own interview located on this website

When he says seats it's possible he's referring to enrolled students as opposed to admitted applicants, so you may have to account for VA residents self-selecting there but nevertheless it's interesting. I feel like I recall a UVA Dean saying there was a minimum requirement of UVA residents in each class as well, but I'm not sure. At the very least they know that if they admit a VA resident there's a lot higher chance they will actually matriculate than if they admit an out of stater (anti-Yield Protection), so in my opinion at the very worst there's undeniably a slight boost.


You guys put way too much stock into what school officials tell you.

The dean HAS to say stuff like this. What's he going to say, "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents"??

He'd be kicked out in no time.


If there is a required percentage of VA residents, then in my mind there undeniably has to be a slight boost. Read my post above this.

And btw I think you read that quote wrong, he was being PC and pretty much said in his first sentence "we at UVA do not give any preference to VA residents" - but then turned around and made a "but the numbers don't lie" type of statemenet.


So basically he is just trying to confuse. He doesn't want solid out of state candidates to give up on his school because his overall numbers would crash, yet he is trying to please his funding masters at the state house.

Exactly, but at the end of the day the numbers don't lie. There's got to be a boost.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby Br3v » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:14 pm

TrialLawyer16 wrote:
Br3v wrote:There is a required percentage....at least last time I read the UVA profile on this site there was.....

TITCR

"Prospective students should keep in mind that the University of Virginia is a publicly-funded university. Consequently, it reserves 40 percent of its seats for residents and the remaining 60 percent for nonresidents. This leaves nonresidents at a slight disadvantage, which is discussed in more detail below." - TLS UVA profile


Thanks for doing my dirty work

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:17 pm

Br3v wrote:
TrialLawyer16 wrote:
Br3v wrote:There is a required percentage....at least last time I read the UVA profile on this site there was.....

TITCR

"Prospective students should keep in mind that the University of Virginia is a publicly-funded university. Consequently, it reserves 40 percent of its seats for residents and the remaining 60 percent for nonresidents. This leaves nonresidents at a slight disadvantage, which is discussed in more detail below." - TLS UVA profile


Thanks for doing my dirty work

LOL np. Got to practice for 1st year Associate work somehow.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby Nate895 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:20 pm

On LSN (I spent some time on there trying to figure this out for myself), it seems that in-state splitters and reverse-splitters have a small advantage. The medians are pretty similar, according to UVA's website, but I'm willing to bet the mean is lower.

Usually about 10% of the applicants are VA residents (around 7,000 applications), 40% have to be VA residents, so, if you do the math, UVA has about twice the acceptance rate amongst in state residents. I mean, there is just no way for them to find 140 or so Virginia residents without being more willing to make a reach for a splitter or reverse splitter when they only have around 700 in state apps to begin with.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby pcwcecac » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:21 pm

If it really is 60-40, then the advantage should be significant. As one of the posters pointed out, the ratio of out-of-state to in-state applicants to UVA who have competitive numbers should be way larger than 3:2. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio was WAY larger, since most people with MVP numbers would apply to all three, resident or not.

Has there been ANY in-state UVA applicant on TLS or LSN that had close to median UVA numbers and was rejected?

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby ben4847 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:25 pm

Nate895 wrote:On LSN (I spent some time on there trying to figure this out for myself), it seems that in-state splitters and reverse-splitters have a small advantage. The medians are pretty similar, according to UVA's website, but I'm willing to bet the mean is lower.

Usually about 10% of the applicants are VA residents (around 7,000 applications), 40% have to be VA residents, so, if you do the math, UVA has about twice the acceptance rate amongst in state residents. I mean, there is just no way for them to find 140 or so Virginia residents without being more willing to make a reach for a splitter or reverse splitter when they only have around 700 in state apps to begin with.


You need to also consider that VA residents are more likely accept VA than out of state applicants.
You have to figure that any VA resident who is accepted to MVPB is going to choose virginia, and many who are accepted to CCN will as well.

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Re: Do VA residents have a leg up at UVA?

Postby Nate895 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:31 pm

ben4847 wrote:
Nate895 wrote:On LSN (I spent some time on there trying to figure this out for myself), it seems that in-state splitters and reverse-splitters have a small advantage. The medians are pretty similar, according to UVA's website, but I'm willing to bet the mean is lower.

Usually about 10% of the applicants are VA residents (around 7,000 applications), 40% have to be VA residents, so, if you do the math, UVA has about twice the acceptance rate amongst in state residents. I mean, there is just no way for them to find 140 or so Virginia residents without being more willing to make a reach for a splitter or reverse splitter when they only have around 700 in state apps to begin with.


You need to also consider that VA residents are more likely accept VA than out of state applicants.
You have to figure that any VA resident who is accepted to MVPB is going to choose virginia, and many who are accepted to CCN will as well.


I was assuming every person accepted from Virginia would go, which is a very conservative estimate. Personally, I'm a VA resident and might have the numbers for a CCN acceptance by the time I apply (reach still, but possible), and even if I was accepted I'd still probably take UVA, so I know what you're talking about.

pcwcecac wrote:If it really is 60-40, then the advantage should be significant. As one of the posters pointed out, the ratio of out-of-state to in-state applicants to UVA who have competitive numbers should be way larger than 3:2. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio was WAY larger, since most people with MVP numbers would apply to all three, resident or not.

Has there been ANY in-state UVA applicant on TLS or LSN that had close to median UVA numbers and was rejected?


I don't know about "any" (I'm sure there's some felon with the numbers who applied and got rejected at some point), but for the vast majority, no. However, Virginia does have the advantage of having a lot of people interested in the law in state who have decent numbers that won't hurt their medians too much.




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