GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

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GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:54 pm

I have been researching non stop of where to go used the LSAC meter of likelihood and it displayed some disappointments but at least saved me some application fees. I was wondering what you guys would recommend I consider as a school to attend. I live on the east coast but do not mind moving, right now Widener DE sounds most logical. Any help or comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby fashiongirl » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:10 pm

Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:11 pm

fashiongirl wrote:Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...



Can't do it again, it would be my third and I really need to start law school this year.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby franklyscarlet » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:12 pm

donklob wrote:
fashiongirl wrote:Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...



Can't do it again, it would be my third and I really need to start law school this year.


If you don't mind me asking, why?

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby JustE » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:15 pm

franklyscarlet wrote:
donklob wrote:
fashiongirl wrote:Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...



Can't do it again, it would be my third and I really need to start law school this year.


If you don't mind me asking, why?


Been here. Had your stats (3.21/153). Didn't want to wait... Hated my life... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

Take it a third time. Suck it up. You're making a quarter million dollar decision. Don't go now. Take six months, retake, profit.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby CorkBoard » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:21 pm

donklob wrote:I have been researching non stop of where to go used the LSAC meter of likelihood and it displayed some disappointments but at least saved me some application fees. I was wondering what you guys would recommend I consider as a school to attend. I live on the east coast but do not mind moving, right now Widener DE sounds most logical. Any help or comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.


I think you should retake. You can get more money and better acceptances that way

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:22 pm

franklyscarlet wrote:
donklob wrote:
fashiongirl wrote:Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...



Can't do it again, it would be my third and I really need to start law school this year.


If you don't mind me asking, why?



I am 25 years old about to get married this year, and I am really feeling the pressure of needing to start Law School. I'll be 29 by the time I am done with Law School. Time wait for no one.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby franklyscarlet » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:24 pm

donklob wrote:
franklyscarlet wrote:
donklob wrote:
fashiongirl wrote:Retake the LSAT and don't apply yet. Your GPA would get you into Tier 2 schools. Don't succumb to Tier 4...



Can't do it again, it would be my third and I really need to start law school this year.


If you don't mind me asking, why?



I am 25 years old about to get married this year, and I am really feeling the pressure of needing to start Law School. I'll be 29 by the time I am done with Law School. Time wait for no one.


Same here. Ain't no thing but a chicken wing, sweetheart. Take the time and do it right. One year is not worth 40 years of misery.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby JustE » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:29 pm

franklyscarlet wrote:Same here. Ain't no thing but a chicken wing, sweetheart. Take the time and do it right. One year is not worth 40 years of misery.

Same here. We're all old. Wait. Better to graduate at 30 with a job and $$$, then to come out at 29 and un/underemployed. Just wait. You'll thank us later.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby LawperaMan » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:33 pm

If it makes you feel any better I am 36 with a 160 LSAT and retaking in Feb. There are a number of decent schools that offer non-September start times (Baylor and Cardozo come to mind off the top of my head). If you can improve you score and get into a better school, you will not necessarily graduate any later than if you apply for Sept 2012, but you may get into a better school.

If you really don't want to take it again, and depending on what you want to do with your JD, CUNY might be an option. really only a viable option if you want to go into public interest in NYC, but they are pretty good for what they do, dirt cheap for NY residents and the admission standards are not terribly high. They are moving to some swanky new digs in LIC next year, so their campus will be 2 minutes from Manhattan.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:36 pm

I hear you guys, but I have met and spoken to a lot of lawyers about law school. Whenever I ask them where they went I hear New York Law School or Touro and they have great paying jobs out of those schools. I know I'll get hung for saying this but can't a career come out of any school as long as you work for the clerkships in L2 and show progress in a school with a great alumni network?

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Postby Mal Reynolds » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:42 pm

donklob wrote:I hear you guys, but I have met and spoken to a lot of lawyers about law school. Whenever I ask them where they went I hear New York Law School or Touro and they have great paying jobs out of those schools. I know I'll get hung for saying this but can't a career come out of any school as long as you work for the clerkships in L2 and show progress in a school with a great alumni network?


Ask them if they graduated before or after 2008. Things are very different now. Tier 2 schools are a super risky gamble unless you are going for free.

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Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:01 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:
donklob wrote:I hear you guys, but I have met and spoken to a lot of lawyers about law school. Whenever I ask them where they went I hear New York Law School or Touro and they have great paying jobs out of those schools. I know I'll get hung for saying this but can't a career come out of any school as long as you work for the clerkships in L2 and show progress in a school with a great alumni network?


Ask them if they graduated before or after 2008. Things are very different now. Tier 2 schools are a super risky gamble unless you are going for free.



One of them was before (the NYLS grad.) the other was after (Touro grad.) but yeah I hear what you are saying. Are things that severe where its tier 1 or bust?

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Postby JustE » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:02 pm

JFC... please don't do this. Things are that bad.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby citykitty » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:11 pm

Things are really that bad. You'll get into a lot of T1 schools and possibly some t14 with an improved LSAT score. Buckle down, study, retake. Treat your retake like your job. Seriously the LSAT is that important, if you want to go to law school. Otherwise just don't go.

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Postby acrossthelake » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:15 pm

donklob wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:
donklob wrote:I hear you guys, but I have met and spoken to a lot of lawyers about law school. Whenever I ask them where they went I hear New York Law School or Touro and they have great paying jobs out of those schools. I know I'll get hung for saying this but can't a career come out of any school as long as you work for the clerkships in L2 and show progress in a school with a great alumni network?


Ask them if they graduated before or after 2008. Things are very different now. Tier 2 schools are a super risky gamble unless you are going for free.



One of them was before (the NYLS grad.) the other was after (Touro grad.) but yeah I hear what you are saying. Are things that severe where its tier 1 or bust?


It depends on how risk-averse you are. Some people around here are top 6 schools or bust, which I think is too harsh. But anything lower than Tier 1 is a horrible idea.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby citykitty » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:19 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
donklob wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:
donklob wrote:I hear you guys, but I have met and spoken to a lot of lawyers about law school. Whenever I ask them where they went I hear New York Law School or Touro and they have great paying jobs out of those schools. I know I'll get hung for saying this but can't a career come out of any school as long as you work for the clerkships in L2 and show progress in a school with a great alumni network?


Ask them if they graduated before or after 2008. Things are very different now. Tier 2 schools are a super risky gamble unless you are going for free.



One of them was before (the NYLS grad.) the other was after (Touro grad.) but yeah I hear what you are saying. Are things that severe where its tier 1 or bust?


It depends on how risk-averse you are. Some people around here are top 6 schools or bust, which I think is too harsh. But anything lower than Tier 1 is a horrible idea.


I think some tier 2s are ok, if you want to work in that area and are not paying sticker or getting very cheap tuition. Univ Houston places well in Houston and south Texas, so if you're paying in state tuition there and have ties, I don't think it's a bad deal. It's ranked in the 50s or 60s right now IIRC.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time stomaching full price at a t14, but I'm going to bite the bullet and do it.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:35 pm

If I go to Touro/Widener any other tier 4 and stay atop the top 10% how could you not stand out when it comes to job opportunities? how many people here have gone through the Law Schools we chastise? or at least know some one who has come out of the schools we discuss here? I love this site but man do a lot of the people here put the fear of Satan in you!

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Postby Philosopher King » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:39 pm

donklob wrote:I have been researching non stop of where to go used the LSAC meter of likelihood and it displayed some disappointments but at least saved me some application fees. I was wondering what you guys would recommend I consider as a school to attend. I live on the east coast but do not mind moving, right now Widener DE sounds most logical. Any help or comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.


If you go this cycle it looks like we'll be seeing each other at Widener. I got a 155 LSAT so that's wher eI'll wind up. We can be buddies and valedictorian and salutatorian of the class of 2015 and show these TLS haters what it's all about!

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby JustE » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:53 pm

donklob wrote:If I go to Touro/Widener any other tier 4 and stay atop the top 10% how could you not stand out when it comes to job opportunities? how many people here have gone through the Law Schools we chastise? or at least know some one who has come out of the schools we discuss here? I love this site but man do a lot of the people here put the fear of Satan in you!


FTFY

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Postby Philosopher King » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:59 pm

acrossthelake wrote:It depends on how risk-averse you are. Some people around here are top 6 schools or bust, which I think is too harsh. But anything lower than Tier 1 is a horrible idea.


U. of Penn is no. 7 and I could only dream of getting a good enough LSAT to go there. Is that really unthinkable to some people. I would think a U. of Penn graduate that is in the top 25% of his class would have good job prospects in the tri-state area. U. of Penn reigns supreme here. Just look at where judges on the Eastern District Court of PA come from. Even in other parts of the country our hypothetical graduate would have prospects.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:16 pm

I do believe that the LSAT is a learnable test, but at the same time I find it very hard to believe one who succeeds and proves himself during Law School could be left in dire straights after law school, you guys are great but at the same time I (as well as many others in this situation) need to get life started. Its a difficult world we live in NOTHING is easy careers people once earned at age 25 has now changed to earning that same career at 35. Its the world we live in but at the same time, the hands of time are working against us. Thank you guys for the advice. It is deeply appreciated.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby franklyscarlet » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:17 pm

donklob wrote: NOTHING is easy


so why make it so much harder on yourself?

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby berkeleykel06 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:20 pm

This is the type of situation that really makes me hate that T4 schools are even able to operate. You do not have the credentials for law school. You have neither a good GPA nor a good (or even decent LSAT). To go to law school you need to have at least one of the two, preferably both. You can't change your GPA, so you need to work on your LSAT.

The problem with T4s is that they make you think that you can go to law school despite your crappy credentials, so you don't work hard enough to raise them. But assuming the definition of a law school is a place where students attend and afterwards become practicing attorneys with jobs that pay enough to service their loan debt, T4s are not really law schools. Everyone attends them thinking they will be the special snowflake that does better than the everyone else and magically ends up employed and wealthy, but the majority of people will not be special and will end up in a state of financial despair.

Raise your LSAT or don't go to law school. If you truly want to be a lawyer and your not just going to law school for something to do you'd want to put yourself in the best position to actually get a job after graduating.

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Re: GPA of 3.26 and LSAT of 150... HELP!

Postby donklob » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:27 pm

franklyscarlet wrote:
donklob wrote: NOTHING is easy


so why make it so much harder on yourself?



How am I making harder on myself? I heed the words of the people on TLS but how many people here have actually gone through law school a lot of us here are 0L. If I came on here and foolishly asked if any of the INILAW schools (phoenix,Charlotte,Florida Coastal) were good I'd understand, but I am asking about reputable schools with years of Alumni and respect within their communities.




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