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Do you think HYS (emphasis on yale) accepts severe splitters?
178 LSAT
3.3 GPA
URM, Okay Softs.
(i don't have these stats and I'm not a flame, but I'm curious.)
178 LSAT
3.3 GPA
URM, Okay Softs.
(i don't have these stats and I'm not a flame, but I'm curious.)
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lutcf2021 wrote:Do you think HYS (emphasis on yale) accepts severe splitters?
178 LSAT
3.3 GPA
URM, Okay Softs.
(i don't have these stats and I'm not a flame, but I'm curious.)
Depends on which URM, but I vote yes.
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African American Male.
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Yale- Maybe
Harvard & Stanford: Probably 75% or greater shot at getting one of these. A 3.3, 178 AA male would be in very high demand even among HYS in the urm pool of applicants.
Harvard & Stanford: Probably 75% or greater shot at getting one of these. A 3.3, 178 AA male would be in very high demand even among HYS in the urm pool of applicants.
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AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.lutcf2021 wrote:African American Male.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
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Which part of this is hypothetical?
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He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female. The issue is however moot since it's hypothetical anyways.MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
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The lowest GPA in Yale's Class of 2014 was 3.61 and the lowest GPA in YLS Class of 2013 was 3.4, so 3.3 would definitely face an uphill battle there.
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You could be right.Blessedassurance wrote:He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
But....
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.
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That's the point. Scarcity.MormonChristian wrote: Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males.
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So Yale accepted more female AA students than male AA students because that's their preference.MormonChristian wrote:You could be right.Blessedassurance wrote:He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
But....
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.
Allow me to use the same logic to explain something else. Men who consistently sleep with ugly women just prefer ugly chicks.
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How many people in that number range exist? There are only about 50 178+ in a test administration, and that is mostly non-URMs.MormonChristian wrote:AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.lutcf2021 wrote:African American Male.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
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No. There are more high scoring AA females than males for whatever reason, this is why there tend to be more AA females than males at every law school. Also, being female isn't an admissions boost.MormonChristian wrote:
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
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My female number twins are kicking ass this cycle.
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@OP: URM cycles tend to be unpredictable, but a URM with a 178 would have a shot at one of HYS.
*Caveat: Data may not be representative because data for test takers, and not applicants, is used, and AA males tend to do slightly better on the LSAT (Mean = 142.99, SD = 9.23) than AA females (Mean = 141.50, SD = 8.40).
In my opinion, the difference in Yale's AA gender ratio can more likely be attributed to difference in the gender ratio of AA applicants. I wasn't able to find data for the number of applicants, but according to the number of test takers for 2009-2010, there were 9256 female AA test takers versus 5329 male AA test takers. Test takers AA male/female ratio = 5329/9256 = .576*. Yale's AA male/female ratio = 14/27 = .519.MormonChristian wrote: You could be right.
But....
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.
*Caveat: Data may not be representative because data for test takers, and not applicants, is used, and AA males tend to do slightly better on the LSAT (Mean = 142.99, SD = 9.23) than AA females (Mean = 141.50, SD = 8.40).
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Drake014 wrote:So Yale accepted more female AA students than male AA students because that's their preference.MormonChristian wrote:You could be right.Blessedassurance wrote:He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.
But....
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.
Allow me to use the same logic to explain something else. Men who consistently sleep with ugly women just prefer ugly chicks.
Not exactly in good taste, but hilarious.
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KevinP wrote:@OP: URM cycles tend to be unpredictable, but a URM with a 178 would have a shot at one of HYS.
In my opinion, the difference in Yale's AA gender ratio can more likely be attributed to difference in the gender ratio of AA applicants. I wasn't able to find data for the number of applicants, but according to the number of test takers for 2009-2010, there were 9256 female AA test takers versus 5329 male AA test takers. Test takers AA male/female ratio = 5329/9256 = .576*. Yale's AA male/female ratio = 14/27 = .519.MormonChristian wrote: You could be right.
But....
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.
I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.
*Caveat: Data may not be representative because data for test takers, and not applicants, is used, and AA males tend to do slightly better on the LSAT (Mean = 142.99, SD = 9.23) than AA females (Mean = 141.50, SD = 8.40).
KevinP, where did you find these numbers?
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You can find LSAT score breakdowns by race, geographic placement, and sex at the link below
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Resea ... -10-03.pdf
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Resea ... -10-03.pdf
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