Hypothetical...please don't kill me

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Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby lutcf2021 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:55 am

Do you think HYS (emphasis on yale) accepts severe splitters?
178 LSAT
3.3 GPA
URM, Okay Softs.


(i don't have these stats and I'm not a flame, but I'm curious.)

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby MormonChristian » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:01 am

lutcf2021 wrote:Do you think HYS (emphasis on yale) accepts severe splitters?
178 LSAT
3.3 GPA
URM, Okay Softs.


(i don't have these stats and I'm not a flame, but I'm curious.)



Depends on which URM, but I vote yes.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby lutcf2021 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:02 am

African American Male.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby Na_Swatch » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:15 am

Yale- Maybe

Harvard & Stanford: Probably 75% or greater shot at getting one of these. A 3.3, 178 AA male would be in very high demand even among HYS in the urm pool of applicants.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby MormonChristian » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:21 am

lutcf2021 wrote:African American Male.


AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby TMC116 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:02 am

Which part of this is hypothetical?

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:07 am

MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.


He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female. The issue is however moot since it's hypothetical anyways.

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Postby xkcd09 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:39 am

The lowest GPA in Yale's Class of 2014 was 3.61 and the lowest GPA in YLS Class of 2013 was 3.4, so 3.3 would definitely face an uphill battle there.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby MormonChristian » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:46 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.


He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.


You could be right.

But....

Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.

I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:58 am

MormonChristian wrote: Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males.


That's the point. Scarcity.

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Postby acrossthelake » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:15 am

I know someone who got into H with these numbers with that URM status.

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Postby Grizz » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:22 am

Lawschoolnumbers.com

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby Drake014 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:30 am

MormonChristian wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:
MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.


He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.


You could be right.

But....

Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.

I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.


So Yale accepted more female AA students than male AA students because that's their preference.

Allow me to use the same logic to explain something else. Men who consistently sleep with ugly women just prefer ugly chicks.

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Postby delusional » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:21 am

MormonChristian wrote:
lutcf2021 wrote:African American Male.


AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.

How many people in that number range exist? There are only about 50 178+ in a test administration, and that is mostly non-URMs.

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Postby cinephile » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:28 am

MormonChristian wrote:
Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.


No. There are more high scoring AA females than males for whatever reason, this is why there tend to be more AA females than males at every law school. Also, being female isn't an admissions boost.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby Tom Joad » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:48 am

My female number twins are kicking ass this cycle.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby KevinP » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:20 am

@OP: URM cycles tend to be unpredictable, but a URM with a 178 would have a shot at one of HYS.

MormonChristian wrote:You could be right.

But....

Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.

I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.


In my opinion, the difference in Yale's AA gender ratio can more likely be attributed to difference in the gender ratio of AA applicants. I wasn't able to find data for the number of applicants, but according to the number of test takers for 2009-2010, there were 9256 female AA test takers versus 5329 male AA test takers. Test takers AA male/female ratio = 5329/9256 = .576*. Yale's AA male/female ratio = 14/27 = .519.

*Caveat: Data may not be representative because data for test takers, and not applicants, is used, and AA males tend to do slightly better on the LSAT (Mean = 142.99, SD = 9.23) than AA females (Mean = 141.50, SD = 8.40).

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby lutcf2021 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:24 pm

Drake014 wrote:
MormonChristian wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:
MormonChristian wrote: AA male I vote no for this year. But this year would be his best chance to get in, in the last 10+ years. AA female or NA, I would vote definitely yes.
2 years ago, Yale only accepted 3 law students in that number range.


He actually has a better chance of getting in as an AA male compared to an AA female.


You could be right.

But....

Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.

I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.


So Yale accepted more female AA students than male AA students because that's their preference.

Allow me to use the same logic to explain something else. Men who consistently sleep with ugly women just prefer ugly chicks.



Not exactly in good taste, but hilarious.

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby lutcf2021 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:25 pm

KevinP wrote:@OP: URM cycles tend to be unpredictable, but a URM with a 178 would have a shot at one of HYS.

MormonChristian wrote:You could be right.

But....

Yale accepts a lot more AA females than AA males. I think the reason is not necessarily because the females have better numbers but because they fill a diversity mandate. By accepting AA females, Yale fills the female and the AA mandate. There doesn't appear to be a male mandate, and typically law is a male dominated field.

I think it needs to be said that numbers can be gamed fairly easily but diversity is very hard to game. Numbers can be bought, diversity (as far as I know) can not be bought.


In my opinion, the difference in Yale's AA gender ratio can more likely be attributed to difference in the gender ratio of AA applicants. I wasn't able to find data for the number of applicants, but according to the number of test takers for 2009-2010, there were 9256 female AA test takers versus 5329 male AA test takers. Test takers AA male/female ratio = 5329/9256 = .576*. Yale's AA male/female ratio = 14/27 = .519.

*Caveat: Data may not be representative because data for test takers, and not applicants, is used, and AA males tend to do slightly better on the LSAT (Mean = 142.99, SD = 9.23) than AA females (Mean = 141.50, SD = 8.40).



KevinP, where did you find these numbers?

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Re: Hypothetical...please don't kill me

Postby RainyDayPlay » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:48 pm

You can find LSAT score breakdowns by race, geographic placement, and sex at the link below

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Resea ... -10-03.pdf




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