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Actually if you searched more, you would find the answer to be no.kalvano wrote:Yes. Search more.
Sorry your tough school didn't give you the good sense to use the search function.crazi4law wrote:Do Adcoms really treat a 3.9 from ASU as roughly the same as a 3.9 from Cornell? Because I know kids from state schools and it is so unbelievably easy to get good grades there. It just seems unfair to applicants from tough schools.
I wouldn't wish your presence on any of my fellow public university students.crazi4law wrote:Wouldn't it be a smart idea to transfer to a state school in that case?
Contrary to your anecdotal evidence, multiple studies document that private schools are far more notorious for grade inflation. Anna Ivey's book makes mention of this fact.crazi4law wrote:Wouldn't it be a smart idea to transfer to a state school in that case?
lats19nys wrote:And yes, there's a reason why at Ivies, we do have smarter kids. It's not an accident.
lats19nys wrote:also trust me, premed and engineering at elite schools, including ivies, is much harder. There's a reason why orgo (i know it's feared on all campuses) at my school for example routinely fails about 1/2 the kids the first time they take it.
ben4847 wrote:whats orgo
lats19nys wrote:students from better schools do get a bit of a bigger boost. I had deans from upenn, michigan, duke, stanford, nyu, cornell all say this when they came to my school. I mean, they're going to look at your LSAT score also to see if that gpa could have been earned at other schools. And I love the stupid remarks about gpa inflation. No fool, studies have not shown that grade inflation is more prevalent at private schools. What they have shown possibly is that there are higher grades in elite private schools. To demonstrate that grade inflation is more prevalent at private vs public schools, you would have to demonstrate that grades have risen by a higher percent at those schools and also have to account for what exactly are the true abilities of students at all institutions. And yes, there's a reason why at Ivies, we do have smarter kids. It's not an accident. And it's also not an accident that our schools average in the mid 160s for LSAT scores. GOD....merry xmas.
Well, i'm glad you really took the time to read what I wrote. I made it clear to one kid that his general remarks were ridiculous. I didn't dismiss public schools students. I completely agree, your reading skills, clearly illustrates that there are clearly many ivy league students who aren't very bright as well. Good point. What a douchebag.Applying_Late wrote:I feel like this is something difficult to argue about--it's basically a relativist argument/he-said-she-said.
Oddly I went to an HYP, and I've taken orgo there and at a state school. Orgo was harder at the state school. In addition I've compared the exams from the undergraduate courses, and frankly they were harder. I have also compared the math exams from my state school and HYP, and HYP is certainly more difficult there. Again, it seems to me that these carps are difficult--or at least tedious--to prove (i.e. posting transcripts from both the state and ivy schools, comparing exams and syllabi, and scouring the internet for articles that either "disprove" or "prove" this point)....
Also, I agree with you that the general population of undergrads at ivies might be "better" than the students from the state schools (and the ivy environment is certainly more conducive to get the best out of you), but I think the top 10 percent of most state schools can compete with the ivies. Lastly, if it's of any merit, I don't see the point of being so dismissive of kids from state schools; they are also human beings and one day they might outshine you....
OP, to complain about the "ease" of grades of school is futile. Do your best, score well on the LSAT, and you will be rewarded.
lats19nys wrote:also trust me, premed and engineering at elite schools, including ivies, is much harder. There's a reason why orgo (i know it's feared on all campuses) at my school for example routinely fails about 1/2 the kids the first time they take it.
Oh. I was really good at that in high school. Maybe I should have been a doctor. oh well.Applying_Late wrote:Organic Chemistry, and often a make-it-or-break-it class for aspiring physicians.
ben4847 wrote:whats orgo
Deans aren't necessarily as holistic as they claim, and if they do give a boost, it's marginal at best and unlikely to be used as anything outside of a tiebreaker.lats19nys wrote:students from better schools do get a bit of a bigger boost. I had deans from upenn, michigan, duke, stanford, nyu, cornell all say this when they came to my school.
From a study:lats19nys wrote: No fool, studies have not shown that grade inflation is more prevalent at private schools. What they have shown possibly is that there are higher grades in elite private schools.
The same could be said for you; I'm not arguing that IVY league schools don''t have smarter kids on average. I'm arguing against the notion that an IVY league student would have a higher GPA at a state school.lats19nys wrote:Again, can you guys read? Like I said generally, on average, the ivies have smarter kids. Jeez. Please read carefully. It's a skill that will help on the LSATs.
How about you limit that study to "elite schools". If you're doing that with all public/private debate, that's clearly different given the high number of private schools. It seems silly to me that you're comparing basically all public/private schools and using that data to talk about a small group of institutions that are quite unique even in their own subset. Silly if you ask me.KevinP wrote:Deans aren't necessarily as holistic as they claim, and if they do give a boost, it's marginal at best and unlikely to be used as anything outside of a tiebreaker.lats19nys wrote:students from better schools do get a bit of a bigger boost. I had deans from upenn, michigan, duke, stanford, nyu, cornell all say this when they came to my school.
From a study:lats19nys wrote: No fool, studies have not shown that grade inflation is more prevalent at private schools. What they have shown possibly is that there are higher grades in elite private schools.
Average GPA = 2.8 +0.005*SEL + (if school is private add 0.2)
Average GPA = 2.8 + 0.001*(SATMV-850) + (if school is private add 0.1)
where SATMV is the combined average Math and Verbal SAT score of students and SEL is a selectivity measure that
represents the average of the percentage of students with high school GPAs above 3.75, the percentage of students who
graduated in the upper 10% of their high school class, and the percentage of student applicants rejected.
The above two equations suggest that private schools are grading 0.1 to 0.2 higher on a 4.0 scale for a given talent level of student.
Source: http://www.tcrecord.org/Content.asp?ContentID=15928
The same could be said for you; I'm not arguing that IVY league schools don''t have smarter kids on average. I'm arguing against the notion that an IVY league student would have a higher GPA at a state school.lats19nys wrote:Again, can you guys read? Like I said generally, on average, the ivies have smarter kids. Jeez. Please read carefully. It's a skill that will help on the LSATs.
lats19nys wrote:Well, i'm glad you really took the time to read what I wrote. I made it clear to one kid that his general remarks were ridiculous. I didn't dismiss public schools students. I completely agree, your reading skills, clearly illustrates that there are clearly many ivy league students who aren't very bright as well. Good point. What a douchebag.Applying_Late wrote:I feel like this is something difficult to argue about--it's basically a relativist argument/he-said-she-said.
Oddly I went to an HYP, and I've taken orgo there and at a state school. Orgo was harder at the state school. In addition I've compared the exams from the undergraduate courses, and frankly they were harder. I have also compared the math exams from my state school and HYP, and HYP is certainly more difficult there. Again, it seems to me that these carps are difficult--or at least tedious--to prove (i.e. posting transcripts from both the state and ivy schools, comparing exams and syllabi, and scouring the internet for articles that either "disprove" or "prove" this point)....
Also, I agree with you that the general population of undergrads at ivies might be "better" than the students from the state schools (and the ivy environment is certainly more conducive to get the best out of you), but I think the top 10 percent of most state schools can compete with the ivies. Lastly, if it's of any merit, I don't see the point of being so dismissive of kids from state schools; they are also human beings and one day they might outshine you....
OP, to complain about the "ease" of grades of school is futile. Do your best, score well on the LSAT, and you will be rewarded.
lats19nys wrote:also trust me, premed and engineering at elite schools, including ivies, is much harder. There's a reason why orgo (i know it's feared on all campuses) at my school for example routinely fails about 1/2 the kids the first time they take it.
Good point.Applying_Late wrote:I don't know what you got out of that disparaging remark; but, if it made you feel any better, then I suppose it was worth it.
I did read your post. Perhaps I had trouble understanding what you were trying to say....
lats19nys wrote:Well, i'm glad you really took the time to read what I wrote. I made it clear to one kid that his general remarks were ridiculous. I didn't dismiss public schools students. I completely agree, your reading skills, clearly illustrates that there are clearly many ivy league students who aren't very bright as well. Good point. What a douchebag.Applying_Late wrote:I feel like this is something difficult to argue about--it's basically a relativist argument/he-said-she-said.
Oddly I went to an HYP, and I've taken orgo there and at a state school. Orgo was harder at the state school. In addition I've compared the exams from the undergraduate courses, and frankly they were harder. I have also compared the math exams from my state school and HYP, and HYP is certainly more difficult there. Again, it seems to me that these carps are difficult--or at least tedious--to prove (i.e. posting transcripts from both the state and ivy schools, comparing exams and syllabi, and scouring the internet for articles that either "disprove" or "prove" this point)....
Also, I agree with you that the general population of undergrads at ivies might be "better" than the students from the state schools (and the ivy environment is certainly more conducive to get the best out of you), but I think the top 10 percent of most state schools can compete with the ivies. Lastly, if it's of any merit, I don't see the point of being so dismissive of kids from state schools; they are also human beings and one day they might outshine you....
OP, to complain about the "ease" of grades of school is futile. Do your best, score well on the LSAT, and you will be rewarded.
lats19nys wrote:also trust me, premed and engineering at elite schools, including ivies, is much harder. There's a reason why orgo (i know it's feared on all campuses) at my school for example routinely fails about 1/2 the kids the first time they take it.