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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:17 pm

djwjddl wrote:With my #s if I don't apply ED anywhere, but just early in the application cycle will this be too much of a risk if I'm looking to go to a school ranked no lower than Penn? In other words, if I don't ED anywhere is it highly likely I'll be WL'd and then rejected?

I would think that you will get into at least M or P. But I can't say that with any certainty obviously

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby TaipeiMort » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:27 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
anewaphorist wrote:Eh, I'll disagree with soj. I think you have a good chance, and this is coming from a fellow UChicago EDer, although my GPA is significantly higher than yours. Yes, you're below the GPA median, but you went to an Ivy, so I feel like the adcom would at least give your GPA the same consideration they give a 3.9. That puts you at/above their GPA median. Your LSAT is below their LSAT median but above their 25th percentile. So, that said, you would not be disqualified on the basis of your stats alone from the RD pool, let alone the ED one. Factor in the fact that apps are down this year, and I think you have a strong chance.

There was a kid last year (http://lawschoolnumbers.com/beatrock) waitlisted with similar numbers (3.83, 169), but, by his own admission, he had average softs and an average UG. In that same cycle, there was a 3.74/170 that was accepted ED with $ (http://lawschoolnumbers.com/etd20). S/he went to a T5 undergrad.

doesn't matter. A lot of the ED boost is for improving a median with someone who is bound to attend. If he's not actually improving the median, he's not benefiting the school in that way. Regardless of how holistic a school tries to be, applicants still really need to be above one of the medians.


Another actual Chicago student rejecting what you say. I know people with median GPA and 168, as well as 169. I would at least give it a try. Chicago is holistic and not about just the numbers. They really like people who bring something to the table.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby soj » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:00 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:Another actual Chicago student rejecting what you say. I know people with median GPA and 168, as well as 169. I would at least give it a try. Chicago is holistic and not about just the numbers. They really like people who bring something to the table.

Not necessarily rejecting the bold, but someone who's at the median GPA is helping Chicago secure that median, so Chicago certainly could have accepted that person for numbers-related reasons only. Without the median/168 and median/169 students, Chicago's GPA median might have fallen by .01, while its LSAT median might have stayed the same.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:42 pm

soj wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:Another actual Chicago student rejecting what you say. I know people with median GPA and 168, as well as 169. I would at least give it a try. Chicago is holistic and not about just the numbers. They really like people who bring something to the table.

Not necessarily rejecting the bold, but someone who's at the median GPA is helping Chicago secure that median, so Chicago certainly could have accepted that person for numbers-related reasons only. Without the median/168 and median/169 students, Chicago's GPA median might have fallen by .01, while its LSAT median might have stayed the same.

my entire point revolves around the fact that slightly less than median is not going to be looked at the same as slightly above or at median b/c of stuff like UG institution

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby duckmoney » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:50 pm

I've heard administrators at UChicago explicitly say that they understand that going to a top undergrad is meaningful, and that a lower GPA from there is more meaningful than a slightly higher GPA from a state school, and they like to accept people like that when they can. But, like every other school (except Illinois), they have to reject applicants with lower GPAs to keep their medians high for ranking purposes.

I would say ED would be far and away your best shot, and I don't think it would make much of an impact on how much money you get. If you want Chicago, go for it. No reason not to.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby djwjddl » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:46 am

Am I completely delusional if I think about EDing to Columbia? 50/50?

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby JamMasterJ » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:22 am

djwjddl wrote:Am I completely delusional if I think about EDing to Columbia? 50/50?

I searched non-URMs with 3.8-3.9 and 168-170. Almost certainly looks like a waitlist

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby djwjddl » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:13 pm

would/do multiple scores matter in columbia's case assuming there is ~6 point discrepancy between 1st and 3rd and ~9 between 2nd and 3rd?

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:47 pm

djwjddl wrote:would/do multiple scores matter in columbia's case assuming there is ~6 point discrepancy between 1st and 3rd and ~9 between 2nd and 3rd?


Generally the consensus is that retakes aren't a problem, but 155, 160, 169 seems like it would hurt at Columbia.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby JamMasterJ » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:48 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
djwjddl wrote:would/do multiple scores matter in columbia's case assuming there is ~6 point discrepancy between 1st and 3rd and ~9 between 2nd and 3rd?


Generally the consensus is that retakes aren't a problem, but 155, 160, 169 seems like it would hurt at Columbia.

any 169 is just generally trouble at Columbia

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:53 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
djwjddl wrote:would/do multiple scores matter in columbia's case assuming there is ~6 point discrepancy between 1st and 3rd and ~9 between 2nd and 3rd?


Generally the consensus is that retakes aren't a problem, but 155, 160, 169 seems like it would hurt at Columbia.

any 169 is just generally trouble at Columbia


Yeah that's the point. If it was just the single 169 there might be a tiny chance, but the previous two takes at much lower numbers wipe out any hope. Conversely if the takes went 155, 160, 175 he'd probably have no trouble.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby djwjddl » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:30 pm

I said a 6 point discrepancy between the first and 3rd which comes out to 163, 160, and 169--idk how much of a difference there is between 163 vs 155 but is the general consensus that they will ding me even though there is a large discrepancy?

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:10 pm

djwjddl wrote:I said a 6 point discrepancy between the first and 3rd which comes out to 163, 160, and 169--idk how much of a difference there is between 163 vs 155 but is the general consensus that they will ding me even though there is a large discrepancy?


RC fail. My bad. It's still unlikely in any case, and even less likely with three sub-170s.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby djwjddl » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:45 pm

what about to chicago? Would they care about multiple scores?

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby theduffman » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:55 pm

At the end of the day, theorizing is only going to get you so far. I don't believe anyone that has posted in this thread so far is on an admissions committee anywhere (and if they are, listen to them). I would say do your research and apply ED where you really want to be. Tailor your personal statement and/or write a "why X" to whichever you school you decide to ED to and follow up if you get waitlisted and know you did your best. Outliers exist - I have a friend that got into Columbia last cycle with a 3.65 and a 162 (yes serious). But, the more important point here should be you still have a great application. For us to sit around and dog on your application is like a bunch of bodybuilders critiquing brad pitt's physique - we get an unrealistic standard in our heads sometimes. Good luck!
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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby Mal Reynolds » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:00 am

theduffman wrote:Taylor your personal statement


Ouch bro. This happened to me today by someone who already posted in this thread so Im just keeping it real.

Oh and just because people don't sit on admissions committees does not mean they don't have a lot of meaningful advice.

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby JamMasterJ » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:01 am

theduffman wrote:At the end of the day, theorizing is only going to get you so far. I don't believe anyone that has posted in this thread so far is on an admissions committee anywhere (and if they are, listen to them). I would say do your research and apply ED where you really want to be. Taylor your personal statement and/or write a "why X" to whichever you school you decide to ED to and follow up if you get waitlisted and know you did your best. Outliers exist - I have a friend that got into Columbia last cycle with a 3.65 and a 162 (yes serious). But, the more important point here should be you still have a great application. For us to sit around and dog on your application is like a bunch of bodybuilders critiquing brad pitt's physique - we get an unrealistic standard in our heads sometimes. Good luck!

No one is dogging him, they're trying to provide that "research."

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Re: ED to Chicago

Postby theduffman » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:19 am

Mal Reynolds wrote:
theduffman wrote:Taylor your personal statement


Ouch bro. This happened to me today by someone who already posted in this thread so Im just keeping it real.

Oh and just because people don't sit on admissions committees does not mean they don't have a lot of meaningful advice.


I'm not saying to ignore those of us not on committees or that everyone IS dogging on this app - my point is just to remind the OP that while most of us (this is at least true of me) are on these boards because we have built up anxiety and find obsessing over whether we'll get in somewhere or not to temporarily give us the illusion of more control than we have, empirical trends and a well thought out application are the only things that are relevant. By "research" I simply meant hard data more than speculation (not saying your speculation isn't based on observed data patterns - just trying to create some sort of bottom line lest these threads become endless.

also lol @ me saying taylor wow




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