164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby cmob » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:32 pm

Even if you retake, you're going to be applying with your 164 before you walk into the test. You will be in the midst of the admissions decisions when you get your score back so pro/con retaking the LSAT-

Pro: You improve by at least two points, giving every admissions counselor the golden ticket to take you off the waitlist after they see your resume/GPA. You get offered whatever scholarship money those schools have left.

Con: You score lower and schools don't care because 1) they have already decided or 2) they take the highest LSAT anyway. IMO the top schools that would average aren't even paying attention to you at this point due to your 164.

Pro wins, I would retake. But hey you're smarter than I am.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby redsoxfan2495 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:45 pm

Wow. Just realized 164 is within the middle 50% at Berkeley.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:20 am

Is it really? I thought it was in the lowest 25th percentile?

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Glock » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:36 am

jlevin6591 wrote:Is it really? I thought it was in the lowest 25th percentile?


162 and lower is the lower 25. Boalt has a high GPA floor but an extremely low LSAT floor. This sometimes causes it to be looked down on by LSAT whores.

I don't like Boalt for this and other reasons, but it is a good school with relatively good job prospects.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Tom Joad » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:49 am

Glock wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:Is it really? I thought it was in the lowest 25th percentile?


162 and lower is the lower 25. Boalt has a high GPA floor but an extremely low LSAT floor. This sometimes causes it to be looked down on by LSAT whores.

I don't like Boalt for this and other reasons, but it is a good school with relatively good job prospects.


Boalt is super underappreciated on TLS. I would certainly apply there if they didn't hate poors and not offer merit fee waivers. I don't love Boalt enough to not have the money to pay my gas bill this winter.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Glock » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:54 am

Tom Joad wrote:
Glock wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:Is it really? I thought it was in the lowest 25th percentile?


162 and lower is the lower 25. Boalt has a high GPA floor but an extremely low LSAT floor. This sometimes causes it to be looked down on by LSAT whores.

I don't like Boalt for this and other reasons, but it is a good school with relatively good job prospects.


Boalt is super underappreciated on TLS. I would certainly apply there if they didn't hate poors and not offer merit fee waivers. I don't love Boalt enough to not have the money to pay my gas bill this winter.



I guess. People just disagree with their method of selecting for admission.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Tom Joad » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:59 am

Glock wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
Glock wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:Is it really? I thought it was in the lowest 25th percentile?


162 and lower is the lower 25. Boalt has a high GPA floor but an extremely low LSAT floor. This sometimes causes it to be looked down on by LSAT whores.

I don't like Boalt for this and other reasons, but it is a good school with relatively good job prospects.


Boalt is super underappreciated on TLS. I would certainly apply there if they didn't hate poors and not offer merit fee waivers. I don't love Boalt enough to not have the money to pay my gas bill this winter.



I guess. People just disagree with their method of selecting for admission.


And no fee waivers. I could care less how a T14 selects its class if it only cost $16 to give it a shot.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:01 am

I would be really happy to go to Berkeley now. Even though I would miss the East Coast tremendously :cry:

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby tennisking88 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:12 am

jlevin6591 wrote:I would be really happy to go to Berkeley now. Even though I would miss the East Coast tremendously :cry:


Boalt is still tough to get into, even with grades higher than both medians. They simply care much, much less than other T10 schools about grades, which means that your STORY, who you are, what you have overcome or accomplished, is extremely important, and you should incorporate that into a really well-polished essay.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:28 am

tennisking88 wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:I would be really happy to go to Berkeley now. Even though I would miss the East Coast tremendously :cry:


Boalt is still tough to get into, even with grades higher than both medians. They simply care much, much less than other T10 schools about grades, which means that your STORY, who you are, what you have overcome or accomplished, is extremely important, and you should incorporate that into a really well-polished essay.


I will be sure to do that. Essay is definitely a strong suit of mine. What do you guys think of EDing to either NYU, Penn, or Berkeley?

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby top30man » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:31 am

Penn is a possibility though you would be in for sure at UVA. Berkeley is a very ncie possibility though I do not think they have ED (correct me if Im wrong, Im not sure).

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:34 am

top30man wrote:Penn is a possibility though you would be in for sure at UVA. Berkeley is a very ncie possibility though I do not think they have ED (correct me if Im wrong, Im not sure).


Yeah, I was going to go for Penn. NYU was my dream school for a while, but I don't see that happening.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby top30man » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:36 am

Yeah, I was going to go for Penn. NYU was my dream school for a while, but I don't see that happening.

NYU is relatively splitter friendly in ED, though not as much to reverse-splitters. I think Penn is the better choice.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:48 am

top30man wrote:
Yeah, I was going to go for Penn. NYU was my dream school for a while, but I don't see that happening.

NYU is relatively splitter friendly in ED, though not as much to reverse-splitters. I think Penn is the better choice.


That's what I figured. My friend is pushing for Penn so that we can live with one another haha. I would love to go there as well. I love the abroad programs they offer, especially their Paris program.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:40 pm

Does anyone know if class rank plays any role in the admissions process?

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby paratactical » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:58 pm

jlevin6591 wrote:Does anyone know if class rank plays any role in the admissions process?

It's really just soft - but that's the kind of thing a place like Berkley likes. I think if you're number one in a program or school with a seriously good reputation that it will certainly a be a strong soft, but I wouldn't wager on it changing the numbers game at most schools.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:28 pm

Hopefully, its another factor that will help me along. Thanks!

My other issue with this is that I'm a junior so idk if the stats will become harder as the year goes on till its time for me to submit my apps. My plan is to send them out on the days they come out.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:46 pm

Does anyone know if class rank makes a difference in the selection process?

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby TaipeiMort » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:12 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:Thanks, tennisking88. I appreciate that kind of news haha. I need it right now.

Thanks to everyone else also who has also replied. I really appreciate it.

Does my coming from an Uzbek background help at all? I know it's not really considered a URM.


It won't get you a leg up like being an AA or MA would, but you should still mention it (and you being Jewish) in your diversity essay or PS. But it won't necessarily help that much - your GPA is really the selling point here.


Why is/should being Jewish beneficial at all? There are more jewish kids at most top schools than almost any other identifiable group. There are probably 5,000 times as many jewish kids as there are real native americans in American law schools, and they have about the same size population in the US. I would bet that there are 100 times more Jewish students than Evangelicals. Based anecdotally upon the number of Jewosh attorneys in Biglaw I've met, they are pretty successful in school as well

If not as a URM, is there some kind of soft Nepotism that occurs? That actually would be a pretty smart reason to write a Jewish DS.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Kess » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:22 am

That's an amazing GPA! I saw on law school numbers of someone (non-URM) getting in with a 157/3.9 into Boalt. It's possible- good luck!

I don't think being from Uzbekistan will do much though. I wish it did though- I am also a Russian-Jew, but from Belarus.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby TommyK » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:36 am

Kess wrote:That's an amazing GPA! I saw on law school numbers of someone (non-URM) getting in with a 157/3.9 into Boalt. It's possible- good luck!

I don't think being from Uzbekistan will do much though. I wish it did though- I am also a Russian-Jew, but from Belarus.


It's also self-reported data so I wouldn't believe everything you see there.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby Kess » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:51 am

That's true, the profile seemed genuine enough, so I want to believe it.

But I also know of someone from my UG (pre-law advisor) actually showed me her transcript and things- Non-URM got into Fordham with a 158/3.9. Weird things do happen, but not something to count on of course.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby keg411 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:23 am

jlevin6591 wrote:Hopefully, its another factor that will help me along. Thanks!

My other issue with this is that I'm a junior so idk if the stats will become harder as the year goes on till its time for me to submit my apps. My plan is to send them out on the days they come out.


OP, you're only a junior? Why not hire a private tutor and re-take in Feb or June? If you go to the tutor and it doesn't seem to be helping, then withdraw from the test before the deadline and apply with your 164. I see not reason not to give it a try, just to get YHS within your reach.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby ersh1428 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:35 am

How is your GPA a 4.33?? Rutgers doesn't offer A+ at all, so the highest it could be is 4.0.

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Re: 164 LSAT/ 4.33 GPA-What's Realistic?

Postby jlevin6591 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:49 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:
jlevin6591 wrote:Thanks, tennisking88. I appreciate that kind of news haha. I need it right now.

Thanks to everyone else also who has also replied. I really appreciate it.

Does my coming from an Uzbek background help at all? I know it's not really considered a URM.


It won't get you a leg up like being an AA or MA would, but you should still mention it (and you being Jewish) in your diversity essay or PS. But it won't necessarily help that much - your GPA is really the selling point here.


Why is/should being Jewish beneficial at all? There are more jewish kids at most top schools than almost any other identifiable group. There are probably 5,000 times as many jewish kids as there are real native americans in American law schools, and they have about the same size population in the US. I would bet that there are 100 times more Jewish students than Evangelicals. Based anecdotally upon the number of Jewosh attorneys in Biglaw I've met, they are pretty successful in school as wel

If not as a URM, is there some kind of soft Nepotism that occurs? That actually would be a pretty smart reason to write a Jewish DS.


Why I want to write an essay on it is because Uzbek Jews are a very tiny portion of the entire Uzbek population. Over 90% are actually Muslim. Especially not being a Bukharian Jew, that makes me part of an even smaller minority. That's why I wanted to write about it.




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