3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby m3taphysician » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:57 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

you mad

You're the one who's mad. Or maybe you have an inferiority complex.
See this gem:
Bildungsroman wrote:What the fuck is a "T20" undergrad? Your undergrad is extremely unprestigious and unimpressive hth.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:00 pm

m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

Or perhaps we're happy that we saved a shit-ton of money and ended up in a good place. I have no sympathy for people who attend top schools, get shit grades, and then want to be rewarded for slacking off.

The Committee primarily uses your cumulative GPA as calculated by the Credential Assembly Service (CAS). We will also look at the GPA at your undergraduate degree institution, the GPA within your major, the percentile ranking in comparison to other law school candidates from the same institution (as reported by CAS), academic honors, the difficulty of the academic program, the quality of the degree-conferring institution, and any trends in your academic performance. Because we consider many factors, our admitted students show considerable GPA variation and we accept students from a wide range of undergraduate institutions.

Margins, man. Margins.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:02 pm

Does anything about this graph suggest that the degree-conferring institution matters?

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby m3taphysician » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:04 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:Does anything about this graph suggest that the degree-conferring institution matters?

Fair enough. (Finally, a reasonable post.)

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:08 pm

m3taphysician wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

you mad

You're the one who's mad. Or maybe you have an inferiority complex.
See this gem:
Bildungsroman wrote:What the fuck is a "T20" undergrad? Your undergrad is extremely unprestigious and unimpressive hth.

yeah, it's easy for one to develop an inferiority complex in the face of a mighty Emory/Vanderbilt/NotreDame/Rice grad.

Also, why you so mad though?

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby m3taphysician » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:11 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

you mad

You're the one who's mad. Or maybe you have an inferiority complex.
See this gem:
Bildungsroman wrote:What the fuck is a "T20" undergrad? Your undergrad is extremely unprestigious and unimpressive hth.

yeah, it's easy for one to develop an inferiority complex in the face of a mighty Emory/Vanderbilt/NotreDame/Rice grad.

Also, why you so mad though?

Are you currently attending law school?

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:13 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:yeah, it's easy for one to develop an inferiority complex in the face of a mighty Emory/Vanderbilt/NotreDame/Rice grad.

Also, why you so mad though?

You just wait. His big name school's gonna blow everyone out of the water come OCI time. If there's one thing that makes up for shitty grades and a shittier personality, it's undergraduate prestige.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:13 pm

m3taphysician wrote:Are you currently attending law school?

Yes I am.

I assume this question laid the groundwork for a trap designed to ensnare my feeble mind in your powerful cranium's machinations. Have mercy on me!

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby freestallion » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:16 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:Does anything about this graph suggest that the degree-conferring institution matters?


Yes, indeed it does. I clicked on that graph and found these people:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/utilitystepstool/jd - below medians but top 10 undergrad and PhD. Maybe it helped?
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/babayaga/jd - borderline stats for CCN, but got into NYU off waitlist. top 20 undergrad.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ilovemulch/jd - also borderline stats, top 15 undergrad and into NYU

case in point: I wonder if it DOES matter a bit for borderline candidates...??

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:19 pm

freestallion wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Does anything about this graph suggest that the degree-conferring institution matters?


Yes, indeed it does. I clicked on that graph and found these people:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/utilitystepstool/jd - below medians but top 10 undergrad and PhD. Maybe it helped?
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/babayaga/jd - borderline stats for CCN, but got into NYU off waitlist. top 20 undergrad.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ilovemulch/jd - also borderline stats, top 15 undergrad and into NYU

case in point: I wonder if it DOES matter a bit for borderline candidates...??

I don't think anyone's denying it can make a difference in borderline cases.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby m3taphysician » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:24 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:Are you currently attending law school?

Yes I am.

I assume this question laid the groundwork for a trap designed to ensnare my feeble mind in your powerful cranium's machinations. Have mercy on me!

Nope; I just wanted to know. Thanks.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby freestallion » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:25 pm

I think that's the conclusion here. It can help in borderline cases but otherwise, for two people squarely above/below both medians for instance the quality of undergrad probably doesn't make much of a difference.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby paratactical » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:29 pm

m3taphysician wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:Are you currently attending law school?

Yes I am.

I assume this question laid the groundwork for a trap designed to ensnare my feeble mind in your powerful cranium's machinations. Have mercy on me!

Nope; I just wanted to know. Thanks.

Now this is some real fancy book learnin' here. Why just you lookee at that them thar period all on toppa that comma!

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:58 pm

paratactical wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:Are you currently attending law school?

Yes I am.

I assume this question laid the groundwork for a trap designed to ensnare my feeble mind in your powerful cranium's machinations. Have mercy on me!

Nope; I just wanted to know. Thanks.

Now this is some real fancy book learnin' here. Why just you lookee at that them thar period all on toppa that comma!

I IMMENSELY enjoyed reading this sentence in this accent to myself in my head.

/weirdo

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby MrKappus » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:15 pm

These threads seethe with posts like "I went to a good school and think it should/might/will make up for my lower GPA for law school admissions!!!" and "I went to a crappy UG and think it should/might/will never matter again now that I go to a good law school...EVER!" Neither's correct.

Your UG's not going to make up for a lackluster GPA when applying to law school. That said, I can't see a situation where it'll hurt you, in LS admissions or life in general. Get over the superiority complex and move on.

Your UG will be on your big law bio and resume for the rest of your career. Even if you go to YLS, people will always wonder why you decided to go to Eastern Mountain State Junior College. That's just the way humans work. Get over the inferiority complex and move on.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:17 pm

MrKappus wrote:These threads seethe with posts like "I went to a good school and think it should/might/will make up for my lower GPA for law school admissions!!!" and "I went to a crappy UG and think it should/might/will never matter again now that I go to a good law school...EVER!" Neither's correct.

Your UG's not going to make up for a lackluster GPA when applying to law school. That said, I can't see a situation where it'll hurt you, in LS admissions or life in general. Get over the superiority complex and move on.

Your UG will be on your big law bio and resume for the rest of your career. Even if you go to YLS, people will always wonder why you decided to go to Eastern Mountain State Junior College. That's just the way humans work. Get over the inferiority complex and move on.

u mad 2?

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby MrKappus » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:18 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
MrKappus wrote:These threads seethe with posts like "I went to a good school and think it should/might/will make up for my lower GPA for law school admissions!!!" and "I went to a crappy UG and think it should/might/will never matter again now that I go to a good law school...EVER!" Neither's correct.

Your UG's not going to make up for a lackluster GPA when applying to law school. That said, I can't see a situation where it'll hurt you, in LS admissions or life in general. Get over the superiority complex and move on.

Your UG will be on your big law bio and resume for the rest of your career. Even if you go to YLS, people will always wonder why you decided to go to Eastern Mountain State Junior College. That's just the way humans work. Get over the inferiority complex and move on.

u mad 2?


Mad as u. Sure.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby HeavenWood » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:19 pm

MrKappus wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
MrKappus wrote:These threads seethe with posts like "I went to a good school and think it should/might/will make up for my lower GPA for law school admissions!!!" and "I went to a crappy UG and think it should/might/will never matter again now that I go to a good law school...EVER!" Neither's correct.

Your UG's not going to make up for a lackluster GPA when applying to law school. That said, I can't see a situation where it'll hurt you, in LS admissions or life in general. Get over the superiority complex and move on.

Your UG will be on your big law bio and resume for the rest of your career. Even if you go to YLS, people will always wonder why you decided to go to Eastern Mountain State Junior College. That's just the way humans work. Get over the inferiority complex and move on.

u mad 2?


Mad as u. Sure.

Why u mad tho?

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby MrKappus » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:20 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
MrKappus wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
MrKappus wrote:These threads seethe with posts like "I went to a good school and think it should/might/will make up for my lower GPA for law school admissions!!!" and "I went to a crappy UG and think it should/might/will never matter again now that I go to a good law school...EVER!" Neither's correct.

Your UG's not going to make up for a lackluster GPA when applying to law school. That said, I can't see a situation where it'll hurt you, in LS admissions or life in general. Get over the superiority complex and move on.

Your UG will be on your big law bio and resume for the rest of your career. Even if you go to YLS, people will always wonder why you decided to go to Eastern Mountain State Junior College. That's just the way humans work. Get over the inferiority complex and move on.

u mad 2?


Mad as u. Sure.

Why u mad tho?


Same as u.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby soj » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:42 pm

m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

lol

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Dany » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:48 pm

soj wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

lol

U mad u didn't go to a stellar undergrad? :wink:

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Hawkeye Pierce » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:51 pm

soj wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

lol


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:54 pm

soj wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

lol

i wish m3ta knew why that statement was so ridiculous/funny. :lol:

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby Dany » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:58 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:
soj wrote:
m3taphysician wrote:People love to go on the offensive on people who went to stellar undergrad schools, and who are (understandably, reasonably) hopeful that it will help them in admissions considerations. That much is clear. People like bildungsroman, soj, etc. are obviously reveling in announcing the unimportance of the quality of the undergrad institution. You guys sound bitter, immature, and, frankly, like a bunch of fucking losers.

lol

i wish m3ta knew why that statement was so ridiculous/funny. :lol:

Nah I prefer it this way.

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Re: 3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school

Postby thelaststraw05 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:14 pm

OK. I'm coming into this thread. Number one reason I find it funny:

Everyone agrees that it DOES make a difference on the margins (e.g. you have two applicants who scored a 167 and came straight through and have almost identical GPAs). Everyone also appears to agree that it doesn't make a bit of a difference if the GPAs are substantially different.

All that being said, I'm glad I went to an shitty undergrad where I studied 4 hours a week and got a 3.5. Means I am well rested for the big game.




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