167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

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167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby ato308 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:29 pm

I'm looking for some help. I scored a 168 LSAT, but have a 2.8 GPA ( which I know is low). I really want to go to school in a big city and was wondering what my chances would be for the following schools:

Fordham
NYU ( I know I'm 99.999998 percent out here).
Brooklyn
Hofstra
Boston College or Boston University
Wakeforest
Cornell

I was a foster child until the age of 12 and came a long way. I'm also an Eagle Scout and involved in school activities such as Alpha Tau Omega, The Investment Group, and Economics Club.

Any advice on where I should apply would be greatly appreciated, sorry about the long wall of text.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby flexityflex86 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:34 pm

ato308 wrote:I'm looking for some help. I scored a 168 LSAT, but have a 2.8 GPA ( which I know is low). I really want to go to school in a big city and was wondering what my chances would be for the following schools:

Fordham
NYU ( I know I'm 99.999998 percent out here).
Brooklyn
Hofstra
Boston College or Boston University
Wakeforest
Cornell

I was a foster child until the age of 12 and came a long way. I'm also an Eagle Scout and involved in school activities such as Alpha Tau Omega, The Investment Group, and Economics Club.

Any advice on where I should apply would be greatly appreciated, sorry about the long wall of text.


Obviously, you're a huge splitter. It is a unique soft to have been a foster child and potentially a great PS/diversity statement, but won't make up for your GPA.

I don't think you have any shot at Fordham, NYU, Cornell, BU/BC (you're auto-deny at all of these) as your LSAT is either below or above the median, and your GPA would be among the lowest in the entering class.

I think you're likely in at Brooklyn, and auto-admit at Hofstra with some $, but the drop off from Fordham to Brooklyn/Hofstra is vast, and would not put you into a great position when you look for employment unless you're at the top of the class.

I'd both retake, and consider Midwest schools if you want to play it conservatively (jobs before location), and create the best financial position for yourself. Your #'s right now may be enough for IU: B, and a 170+ can garner a full ride, and would likely also get you WUSTL with money. Right now a top 20 other than WUSTL won't happen, and without that 168 there you are guaranteed to get rejected across the board.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby Kabuo » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:39 pm

If you're not a URM, the most compelling applicant ever, or a donor to the school, NYU is 0%. The Boston schools like GPA a little too much, don't think there's much chance at all at either. Lots of low 3 170s didn't get them or got WL'd. Looks like a 2.9/169 got into Fordham, but there are lots of people above and below those numbers who got rejected/wl'd. See the bit about NYU for Cornell. Hofstra and Brooklyn you're in with some money. Wake Forest looks good according to LSN.

You want the city but have Wake on here. Why not some midwest schools while you're at it? They love splitters.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby RaleighStClair » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:48 pm

If you're really picky about the big city thing, you will have to lower your standards in terms of rankings and prospects. If you can become flexible on location and markets, then you have some really decent (T1) options available to you.

WUSTL - May go down to a 167 cutoff this fall with a big decrease in applicants - cross your fingers.
IU-B - You have a good shot.
American U - Auto admit
UGA - Auto admit

Just my two cents.

Edit: I realize I definitely left some out here (GWU for one), but you get the idea.
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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby flexityflex86 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:49 pm

RaleighStClair wrote:If you're really picky about the big city thing, you will have to lower your standards in terms of rankings and prospects. If you can become flexible on location and markets, then you have some really decent (T1) options available to you.

WUSTL - May go down to a 167 cutoff this fall with a big decrease in applicants - cross your fingers.
IU-B - You have a good shot.
American U - Auto admit
UGA - Auto admit

Just my two cents.

If OP can get UGA, that may be the best bet given his geographic preferences (east coast), and level of respect within its region.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby ato308 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:07 pm

Thanks for the advice. I wish I would have tried harder in my undergrad. I have two more semesters left so maybe I can pull a 3.0, if that would help in the slightest

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby justhockey31 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 pm

Look at GW, American, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Other NYC schools, Minnesota, IU-B, WUSTL

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby Yeshia90 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:07 am

ato308 wrote:Thanks for the advice. I wish I would have tried harder in my undergrad. I have two more semesters left so maybe I can pull a 3.0, if that would help in the slightest


It would, if you're not committed to applying this cycle. Hypothetically, if you retake to a 170, get a 3.0, and have a year of even decent work experience, your stock is much higher.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby NYCbound35 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:27 am

Kabuo wrote:If you're not a URM, the most compelling applicant ever, or a donor to the school, NYU is 0%. The Boston schools like GPA a little too much, don't think there's much chance at all at either. Lots of low 3 170s didn't get them or got WL'd. Looks like a 2.9/169 got into Fordham, but there are lots of people above and below those numbers who got rejected/wl'd. See the bit about NYU for Cornell. Hofstra and Brooklyn you're in with some money. Wake Forest looks good according to LSN.

You want the city but have Wake on here. Why not some midwest schools while you're at it? They love splitters.


You're talking to that Fordham splitter right here. I was in the same position as you (albeit with slightly better numbers on both ends) and I just did not want to end up in the midwest. IMO, if you are looking for an east coast big city, your only two decent options are Fordham and GW. You are probably not going to get Fordham, but it appears like several sub 3.0, 167 splitters got GW this cycle.
http://gw.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

Whether sticker at GW is worth it is a decision that you have to make for yourself. I am personally paying sticker at Fordham, but between living at home and family help, I am very happy with my decision. Regardless, I think 200k for GW is a better decision than taking a half scholarship w 30% stipultation (that you are more likely than not to lose) that you'd likely get at the NYC T2s.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby Perdevise » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:09 pm

RaleighStClair wrote:If you're really picky about the big city thing, you will have to lower your standards in terms of rankings and prospects. If you can become flexible on location and markets, then you have some really decent (T1) options available to you.

WUSTL - May go down to a 167 cutoff this fall with a big decrease in applicants - cross your fingers.
IU-B - You have a good shot.
American U - Auto admit
UGA - Auto admit

Just my two cents.

Edit: I realize I definitely left some out here (GWU for one), but you get the idea.



Agreed, shifting to some better midwestern schools sounds like a better shot than going to Brooklyn.

PS, man I love the Royal Tenenbaums.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby flexityflex86 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:29 pm

Perdevise wrote:
RaleighStClair wrote:If you're really picky about the big city thing, you will have to lower your standards in terms of rankings and prospects. If you can become flexible on location and markets, then you have some really decent (T1) options available to you.

WUSTL - May go down to a 167 cutoff this fall with a big decrease in applicants - cross your fingers.
IU-B - You have a good shot.
American U - Auto admit
UGA - Auto admit

Just my two cents.

Edit: I realize I definitely left some out here (GWU for one), but you get the idea.



Agreed, shifting to some better midwestern schools sounds like a better shot than going to Brooklyn.

PS, man I love the Royal Tenenbaums.

does anyone have any info on the lowest GPA WUSTL has taken?

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby splitmuch » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:33 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:does anyone have any info on the lowest GPA WUSTL has taken?


How low do they go?

Seriously WUSTL with money seems like the choice. If you do well you can get back to the coast. If youre at median, well at least youre only 115 in debt instead of 200.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby aerogear » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:56 pm

ato308 wrote:I'm looking for some help. I scored a 168 LSAT, but have a 2.8 GPA ( which I know is low). I really want to go to school in a big city and was wondering what my chances would be for the following schools:

Fordham
NYU ( I know I'm 99.999998 percent out here).
Brooklyn
Hofstra
Boston College or Boston University
Wakeforest
Cornell

I was a foster child until the age of 12 and came a long way. I'm also an Eagle Scout and involved in school activities such as Alpha Tau Omega, The Investment Group, and Economics Club.

Any advice on where I should apply would be greatly appreciated, sorry about the long wall of text.


Start preparing for Oct and or Dec LSAT. If you can realistically pull your GPA up to 3.0 range, and or your new LSAT isn't as good as you wanted it to be, then I'd wait until next cycle to apply.

If not... then I agree with what everyone is saying. Instead of pursuing BC, BU, you should look at Northeastern.
http://northweastern.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

But realize that you will be placed underneath everyone in that area... a drop from BC + BU is pretty big.

In terms of Cardozo... there is probably a GPA floor because they have been rising in rank.
http://cardozo.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

Most sub 3.0s get WL'D. IMO - You should push for Fordham first if you can split higher on LSAT.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby Corwin » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:52 am

Are you a minority?

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby ato308 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:19 pm

No but I'm adopted. I was a foster child until i was 11. Only 2 percent of foster children graduate college

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:35 pm

Don't listen to those who say you have no shot because of your gpa. 2.8 is no different than a 3.4 for most of these schools as both are below the median. You have no shot at all the schools that you are below both medians at (cornell, NYU, etc). If you have a decent ap you will probably get into Fordham.

Make sure your ap is very, very good. You will be competing with other lazy splitters and you don't want your ap to be lazy. You could literally get into any school with a 167 or lower LSAT median if you played your cards right. The reason this is true is because most of your competition won't.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby androstan » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:47 pm

169/2.9 got GW part-time

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby buckilaw » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:48 pm

Retake if you can. Pray for Bloomington or WUSTL. Good luck.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby firemed » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:55 pm

If you are willing to move a bit you might want to look into strong regionals in the middle of the country or in the west.

PM me if you want some suggestions.

Also, retake is certainly worth a try.

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Re: 167 LSAT, 2.8 GPA. What should I be aiming for?

Postby bk1 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:59 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:2.8 is no different than a 3.4 for most of these schools as both are below the median.


Wrong. Though I guess you are technically right that they are both below the median.




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