In need of some advice... 3.65 GPA 146 LSAT... PLEASE!!

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:24 pm

So, here's some background. I graduated from a good University with cum laude honors (3.65 GPA) and have never struggled in school. Although, I have NEVER done well on standardized tests... ever! With that in mind, one can only imagine how the LSAT went. The first time I took the LSAT was last June 2010 and I got a 146. I was obviously disappointed, but attributed my failure to having pink eye in both my eyes and having a severe cold for 3 weeks all on test day. After being completely burned out after that experience it wasn't until May of this past year (2011) that I decided I wanted to try for law school again, so I started to study for the June 2011 test. I probably didn't give myself enough time, but I felt I was ready. Unexpectedly a close family member passed away the week before the test, but I tried to stay focused. Nonetheless I felt confident. I took the test and walked away feeling good. Results came on Monday...142. Now, I know what you are probably thinking, how is it possible for someone to even get that low of a score? Trust me, I have pondered that myself. I have NO idea why I cannot conquer this test, but I can conquer everything else my past education threw at me. So, here lies my question. Seeing that I only have one more try to take the LSAT (you can only take it 3 times within two years) should I plan to take it again in October 2011, or should I try to get in with my current scores? All along I was never aiming for tier 1 or tier 2 schools, but now I am concerned that even the tier 3 & 4 schools I was aiming for aren't even an option anymore. Any words of advice or "miracle" stories you can share? I plan on applying to some schools that offer spring admissions to see what my chances are. I am just down in the dumps and like many others do not know if I can study for this test for the third time! ANY ADVICE WOULD BE GREAT!!

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Postby bk1 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:28 pm

Definitely retake. No school that accepts a 146 is going to be worth going to. On a side note, you'll be able to retake your 4th try in either June or Sept/Oct of 2012 (I don't remember exactly how the 2 year rule works) if you don't do well this October.

Not to be mean but to give you an idea of how bad a place your score puts you in: you are below the 50th percentile on the LSAT and around 50% of people who take the LSAT don't even go to law school. Sorry to say but you are solidly close to the bottom of those who actually end up going to school.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:36 pm

Unless you have a guaranteed job lined up after graduation (like at your family firm), there is no school worth going to that will accept a 146.

If you really, really want to go to law school, the only possible way it makes sense is to get that LSAT at least into the mid-150s. Get therapy and meds for test anxiety, hire a tutor, whatever it takes. (How did you prep the first two times, btw?)

I have your exact GPA and will be going to Northwestern...but I got a 171. It is all about the LSAT.

Edit: whoops, I misread your GPA. Mine is actually lower, a 3.56. Which just emphasizes my point.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:45 pm

Thanks for the advice. Rinkrat, the first time I actually took an LSAT Extreme class with Kaplan and this past time I used all my material from Kaplan as well as the Powerscore bibles to study. This last time I consistently did practice problems, but for the last month I was doing at least one to two tests a week and going through them afterwards. I saw my score increasing and what I did see what that time was an issue. The two areas I have problems with is time and the reading comprehension, which is odd considering we read all our lives. I just don't know what to do anymore because one day I was scoring a 156 on a practice test and then the next day I would score a 148... consistency was never there. I know the ways to go about the problems and how to "check" my answers in some of the questions according to the kaplan and powerscore methods, but I find myself unable to do that because I am rushing for time. Has anyone used the study guides provided by Steve Schwartz on lsatblog.com? I am considering buying his 3-month study guide, but I wanted to ask someone first hand if it is worth the money. Rinkrat was there any study tactic you used that worked best for you? In college I was always very disciplined when it came to studying and I could memorize and understand material like the back of my hand... but not this stuff. Maybe I'll check out therapy, anything could help at this point!

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Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:11 pm

livelovelaugh49 wrote:Thanks for the advice. Rinkrat, the first time I actually took an LSAT Extreme class with Kaplan and this past time I used all my material from Kaplan as well as the Powerscore bibles to study. This last time I consistently did practice problems, but for the last month I was doing at least one to two tests a week and going through them afterwards. I saw my score increasing and what I did see what that time was an issue. The two areas I have problems with is time and the reading comprehension, which is odd considering we read all our lives. I just don't know what to do anymore because one day I was scoring a 156 on a practice test and then the next day I would score a 148... consistency was never there. I know the ways to go about the problems and how to "check" my answers in some of the questions according to the kaplan and powerscore methods, but I find myself unable to do that because I am rushing for time. Has anyone used the study guides provided by Steve Schwartz on lsatblog.com? I am considering buying his 3-month study guide, but I wanted to ask someone first hand if it is worth the money. Rinkrat was there any study tactic you used that worked best for you? In college I was always very disciplined when it came to studying and I could memorize and understand material like the back of my hand... but not this stuff. Maybe I'll check out therapy, anything could help at this point!

You don't want to follow my LSAT study plan, because I did it all wrong. No Bibles, barely any review of answers, no set schedule, and less than 2 months of studying. I'm incredibly lucky in that I standardize test really well (I was starting from a 164 cold diagnostic) and I'm a very fast reader with a good visual memory for finding specific things in a block of text. I'm pretty convinced that I could have gotten a 174 if I'd studied properly, but 171 was good enough for what i wanted. Basically, I'm a terrible example. :P

I believe that TLSers generally recommend both the LSAT blog study guide, and Pithypike's study methods (free, here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41657). If you do a forum search, you could probably find threads of people discussing both, to get opinions from people who've tried them.

There are also tutors available in most major cities, which can be a good way to identify your weaknesses. A forum search would find you info on that, too.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:55 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
livelovelaugh49 wrote:Thanks for the advice. Rinkrat, the first time I actually took an LSAT Extreme class with Kaplan and this past time I used all my material from Kaplan as well as the Powerscore bibles to study. This last time I consistently did practice problems, but for the last month I was doing at least one to two tests a week and going through them afterwards. I saw my score increasing and what I did see what that time was an issue. The two areas I have problems with is time and the reading comprehension, which is odd considering we read all our lives. I just don't know what to do anymore because one day I was scoring a 156 on a practice test and then the next day I would score a 148... consistency was never there. I know the ways to go about the problems and how to "check" my answers in some of the questions according to the kaplan and powerscore methods, but I find myself unable to do that because I am rushing for time. Has anyone used the study guides provided by Steve Schwartz on lsatblog.com? I am considering buying his 3-month study guide, but I wanted to ask someone first hand if it is worth the money. Rinkrat was there any study tactic you used that worked best for you? In college I was always very disciplined when it came to studying and I could memorize and understand material like the back of my hand... but not this stuff. Maybe I'll check out therapy, anything could help at this point!

You don't want to follow my LSAT study plan, because I did it all wrong. No Bibles, barely any review of answers, no set schedule, and less than 2 months of studying. I'm incredibly lucky in that I standardize test really well (I was starting from a 164 cold diagnostic) and I'm a very fast reader with a good visual memory for finding specific things in a block of text. I'm pretty convinced that I could have gotten a 174 if I'd studied properly, but 171 was good enough for what i wanted. Basically, I'm a terrible example. :P

I believe that TLSers generally recommend both the LSAT blog study guide, and Pithypike's study methods (free, here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41657). If you do a forum search, you could probably find threads of people discussing both, to get opinions from people who've tried them.

There are also tutors available in most major cities, which can be a good way to identify your weaknesses. A forum search would find you info on that, too.



Lucky, lucky... wish I was blessed with those abilities!! Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it!! Now.... pass on some of that good luck :)

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:50 pm

Any other words of advice from people!?!? I seriously could benefit from anything right now!

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Postby TheZoid » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:21 pm

Both the Logic Games and Logical Reasoning bible are great. Didn't do RC bible, but haven't heard great things about it, although if that's what you have the most trouble with, might be worth a shot. Definitely get the first two Bibles though. Just a general tip but RC is more about the big picture, so read with an eye to that, and if you need to dive back into the passage for a detail question than do that. Different type of reading than LR, where details matter a lot more. I would take another crack at it, you have a good GPA and with the Bibles and some practice you should be able to grab some more points. And on test day, just relax and trust yourself.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:37 pm

TheZoid wrote:Both the Logic Games and Logical Reasoning bible are great. Didn't do RC bible, but haven't heard great things about it, although if that's what you have the most trouble with, might be worth a shot. Definitely get the first two Bibles though. Just a general tip but RC is more about the big picture, so read with an eye to that, and if you need to dive back into the passage for a detail question than do that. Different type of reading than LR, where details matter a lot more. I would take another crack at it, you have a good GPA and with the Bibles and some practice you should be able to grab some more points. And on test day, just relax and trust yourself.


I have the RC Bible as well and have found some little things helpful, but nothing greatly beneficial like the other two bibles. I'm thinking I will take another try at it, just trying to see where I am going wrong with my studying strategy, but here is a question for you. Some schools I am looking at offer spring admissions. With their spring admission deadlines being in October, even if I took the October test it would not be used towards the spring application, so essentially I could turn in the spring application with my current scores and take the October test in hopes of raising my score for Fall applications (to give myself more options). So, here is my question. Do you think it would be wrong/silly or okay of me to apply to the spring admission programs with my current scores... take the October LSAT... wait to see if I get into any of the schools that have the Spring admission & if not hope my LSAT score is higher... then apply for Fall admission schools? Let me know your thoughts :)

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Postby TheZoid » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:33 am

Honestly, I think you just wait until you have a better score to apply again. As bk stated before, no school that will take you with a 146 is worth going to. Schools ranked in that range would have to offer serious scholly money to be worth going to, and you won't get it with that score. Just wait and re-take. If you can afford a tutor, I think it would be worth it if you are hell-bent on law school.

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Postby minnesotasam » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:31 am

Before I say this I want to say clearly that I don't mean to doubt your story in the least and I'll try to put this as delicately as possible.

Twice you gave a specific excuse for why you didn't do well. I'm certain both things DID have an impact on your score but I'm also certain that having a mentality that allows for outside factors to knock you off your game isn't helpful. You're much better served by setting yourself up to succeed no matter what comes up in your life. Take ownership over your scores, past and future, and don't allow yourself to have any other explanation for your score than it's what you earned. No excuses, go get it. And good luck.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:31 pm

TheZoid wrote:Honestly, I think you just wait until you have a better score to apply again. As bk stated before, no school that will take you with a 146 is worth going to. Schools ranked in that range would have to offer serious scholly money to be worth going to, and you won't get it with that score. Just wait and re-take. If you can afford a tutor, I think it would be worth it if you are hell-bent on law school.


Great, thanks!

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Postby DubP5 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:38 pm

I highly recommend PithyPike's LSAT schedule, as the poster above mentioned. Worked wonders for me (you have to be consistent and put a good 3-4 months of solid study time in if you want to see substantial improvement).

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:39 pm

minnesotasam wrote:Before I say this I want to say clearly that I don't mean to doubt your story in the least and I'll try to put this as delicately as possible.

Twice you gave a specific excuse for why you didn't do well. I'm certain both things DID have an impact on your score but I'm also certain that having a mentality that allows for outside factors to knock you off your game isn't helpful. You're much better served by setting yourself up to succeed no matter what comes up in your life. Take ownership over your scores, past and future, and don't allow yourself to have any other explanation for your score than it's what you earned. No excuses, go get it. And good luck.


Oh, no, I agree that I used "outside factors" as an excuse for my low scores, but to be quite honest with you, I think that is human nature. I will be completely upfront and say no, I am NOT a good standardized test taker, never have been and never will be. With that in mind, I do not see my LSAT score improving much, if any. This is why I am extremely hesitant to retake it because I do not want to "waste" my time studying over it and going through the emotional stress that follows the bad test score. So, yes I agree I used excuses (even though they were the reality of the situation... I would feel it would be a bit silly for someone to make up a story on a forum such as this when you have no idea who you are talking to, therefore you shouldn't be embarrassed).

I simply just came to these forums to explain my situation in hopes that others could give me advice on whether I should retake it. Maybe I should have presented it like this:

So, here is my story... I took the LSAT and got a 146 first, took it again and got a 142 the second time. After feeling completely discouraged I am uncertain whether I want to take it again, so i am coming to everyone for advice. I graduated from a good university with a 3.65 and cum laude honors. What are your thoughts on my situation given that I do not think I will be able to raise my LSAT score because I am not and NEVER have been a good standardized test taker. I do not know if it is worth taking the LSAT again, thoughts?

:lol:

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Postby rinkrat19 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:51 pm

livelovelaugh49 wrote:Oh, no, I agree that I used "outside factors" as an excuse for my low scores, but to be quite honest with you, I think that is human nature. I will be completely upfront and say no, I am NOT a good standardized test taker, never have been and never will be. With that in mind, I do not see my LSAT score improving much, if any. This is why I am extremely hesitant to retake it because I do not want to "waste" my time studying over it and going through the emotional stress that follows the bad test score. So, yes I agree I used excuses (even though they were the reality of the situation... I would feel it would be a bit silly for someone to make up a story on a forum such as this when you have no idea who you are talking to, therefore you shouldn't be embarrassed).

I simply just came to these forums to explain my situation in hopes that others could give me advice on whether I should retake it. Maybe I should have presented it like this:

So, here is my story... I took the LSAT and got a 146 first, took it again and got a 142 the second time. After feeling completely discouraged I am uncertain whether I want to take it again, so i am coming to everyone for advice. I graduated from a good university with a 3.65 and cum laude honors. What are your thoughts on my situation given that I do not think I will be able to raise my LSAT score because I am not and NEVER have been a good standardized test taker. I do not know if it is worth taking the LSAT again, thoughts?

:lol:

Let's do a little LR practice...

Livelovelaugh49 has taken the LSAT twice and her highest score is a 146. She is convinced that she will not be able to raise her score. No law schools worth attending will accept a student with a 146 LSAT score.

If Livelovelaugh49 is correct in her assumption that she will not be able to raise her score, which of the following is most likely true?
A. There are no law schools that will accept a 146 LSAT score.
B. There are excellent schools worth attending that will accept a 146 LSAT score.
C. Livelovelaugh49's next LSAT score will be a 160.
D. Livelovelaugh49 should not attend law school.

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Note that I am skeptical that you would not be able to score above a 146 with tutoring and possibly some treament for anxiety. A 3.65 indicates that you have some functioning brain cells and should probably not be scoring in the 30th percentile or whatever a 146 is.

The ONLY two reasonable options for you are to retake (doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to raise your score), or to not go. No matter how many times you rephrase the question, that is still the answer.

Edited about eleven times because I'm incompetent.

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Postby crumpetsandtea » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:56 pm

livelovelaugh49 wrote:I have NO idea why I cannot conquer this test, but I can conquer everything else my past education threw at me. So, here lies my question. Seeing that I only have one more try to take the LSAT (you can only take it 3 times within two years) should I plan to take it again in October 2011, or should I try to get in with my current scores? All along I was never aiming for tier 1 or tier 2 schools, but now I am concerned that even the tier 3 & 4 schools I was aiming for aren't even an option anymore.

Okay.

1) DO NOT GO TO A TIER 3/4 SCHOOL. Trust me, this is not a pretty job market to be entering and you want the best credentials you can get. Don't waste your money/time, unless you already have a guaranteed job after LS.

2) I highly doubt that this is an example of you being 'unable to conquer this test'. It seems like you didn't study as much as you could have both times (a month is not enough, hth). Definitely take a look at the LSATblog schedules.

3) Take again in October.

4) You do not need therapy to help you learn the LSAT. You need time, dedication, and the right mindset. Learn how to not allow external issues to affect your performance. I know it's easier said than done, but it seems like that's what you need.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:25 pm

DubP5 wrote:I highly recommend PithyPike's LSAT schedule, as the poster above mentioned. Worked wonders for me (you have to be consistent and put a good 3-4 months of solid study time in if you want to see substantial improvement).


Printed it out and am already starting :) crossing my fingers that it works!

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:31 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
livelovelaugh49 wrote:Oh, no, I agree that I used "outside factors" as an excuse for my low scores, but to be quite honest with you, I think that is human nature. I will be completely upfront and say no, I am NOT a good standardized test taker, never have been and never will be. With that in mind, I do not see my LSAT score improving much, if any. This is why I am extremely hesitant to retake it because I do not want to "waste" my time studying over it and going through the emotional stress that follows the bad test score. So, yes I agree I used excuses (even though they were the reality of the situation... I would feel it would be a bit silly for someone to make up a story on a forum such as this when you have no idea who you are talking to, therefore you shouldn't be embarrassed).

I simply just came to these forums to explain my situation in hopes that others could give me advice on whether I should retake it. Maybe I should have presented it like this:

So, here is my story... I took the LSAT and got a 146 first, took it again and got a 142 the second time. After feeling completely discouraged I am uncertain whether I want to take it again, so i am coming to everyone for advice. I graduated from a good university with a 3.65 and cum laude honors. What are your thoughts on my situation given that I do not think I will be able to raise my LSAT score because I am not and NEVER have been a good standardized test taker. I do not know if it is worth taking the LSAT again, thoughts?

:lol:

Let's do a little LR practice...

Livelovelaugh49 has taken the LSAT twice and her highest score is a 146. She is convinced that she will not be able to raise her score. No law schools worth attending will accept a student with a 146 LSAT score.

If Livelovelaugh49 is correct in her assumption that she will not be able to raise her score, which of the following is most likely true?
A. There are no law schools that will accept a 146 LSAT score.
B. There are excellent schools worth attending that will accept a 146 LSAT score.
C. Livelovelaugh49's next LSAT score will be a 160.
D. Livelovelaugh49 should not attend law school.

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Note that I am skeptical that you would not be able to score above a 146 with tutoring and possibly some treament for anxiety. A 3.65 indicates that you have some functioning brain cells and should probably not be scoring in the 30th percentile or whatever a 146 is.

The ONLY two reasonable options for you are to retake (doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to raise your score), or to not go. No matter how many times you rephrase the question, that is still the answer.

Edited about eleven times because I'm incompetent.


This took some effort... greatly appreciated haha. I think I am going to go with option C. as well as the retake. I'm already starting studying plans and am going to go see someone to get the anxiety under control. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. Some people on this forum can be very brutal (especially with other questions I have asked in different locations), so I appreciate you nice honesty! Now, only if tutors weren't so damn expensive! For now I'll have to stick with my online Kaplan course that I have active until October while I look around for an affordable tutor or someone I personally know that would be willing to help out! Again, thank you!! :)

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Postby bmore » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:38 pm

This is not an insult. I think you need to work on your attitude/selfconfidence. I know your two previous experiences have been bad but don't saddle your psyche with "I am a bad test taker". Instead prepare and say you are going to prove you can do it. Good luck.

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:38 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:
livelovelaugh49 wrote:I have NO idea why I cannot conquer this test, but I can conquer everything else my past education threw at me. So, here lies my question. Seeing that I only have one more try to take the LSAT (you can only take it 3 times within two years) should I plan to take it again in October 2011, or should I try to get in with my current scores? All along I was never aiming for tier 1 or tier 2 schools, but now I am concerned that even the tier 3 & 4 schools I was aiming for aren't even an option anymore.

Okay.

1) DO NOT GO TO A TIER 3/4 SCHOOL. Trust me, this is not a pretty job market to be entering and you want the best credentials you can get. Don't waste your money/time, unless you already have a guaranteed job after LS.

2) I highly doubt that this is an example of you being 'unable to conquer this test'. It seems like you didn't study as much as you could have both times (a month is not enough, hth). Definitely take a look at the LSATblog schedules.

3) Take again in October.

4) You do not need therapy to help you learn the LSAT. You need time, dedication, and the right mindset. Learn how to not allow external issues to affect your performance. I know it's easier said than done, but it seems like that's what you need.


Ya, I agree that I didn't give myself enough this past test (a month), but the test before I studied for a good 3 months, but I WILL conquer this test. I am going to print out those schedules as well as some other schedules I have began using. I know timing is one of my big issues right now as well as the reading section. When it comes to reading (I know this is going to make me sound not so bright), I am not used to reading such dense material-- so I guess I just need to constantly practice the reading sections? Any recommendation with that? Logic games come easy to me and logical reasoning is in the middle (I always get down to the two answers... the right answer being one of them, but I ALWAYS pick the wrong one, just my luck!). So, any study tactics that worked like a charm for you along with the schedules? One study schedule, I think pikes?, recommended doing logic games repeatedly (not the same day, but over a period of time) did you do that? If so, would you recommend that for logical reasoning and the reading sections too? Let me know :) Thanks for the advice!

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:40 pm

bmore wrote:This is not an insult. I think you need to work on your attitude/selfconfidence. I know your two previous experiences have been bad but don't saddle your psyche with "I am a bad test taker". Instead prepare and say you are going to prove you can do it. Good luck.


You're probably very right in that statement, it's just easier said than done when you are doing well on practice tests then a bad score gets thrown in your face. You are right though, time to step up to the plate and change my attitude. I obviously am smart and can do it... I just need to find a way to make it happen. Thanks for making me realize that.

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Postby rinkrat19 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:45 pm

livelovelaugh49 wrote:
bmore wrote:This is not an insult. I think you need to work on your attitude/selfconfidence. I know your two previous experiences have been bad but don't saddle your psyche with "I am a bad test taker". Instead prepare and say you are going to prove you can do it. Good luck.


You're probably very right in that statement, it's just easier said than done when you are doing well on practice tests then a bad score gets thrown in your face. You are right though, time to step up to the plate and change my attitude. I obviously am smart and can do it... I just need to find a way to make it happen. Thanks for making me realize that.


Good for you, dude. Best of luck!

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Postby livelovelaugh49 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:20 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
livelovelaugh49 wrote:
bmore wrote:This is not an insult. I think you need to work on your attitude/selfconfidence. I know your two previous experiences have been bad but don't saddle your psyche with "I am a bad test taker". Instead prepare and say you are going to prove you can do it. Good luck.


You're probably very right in that statement, it's just easier said than done when you are doing well on practice tests then a bad score gets thrown in your face. You are right though, time to step up to the plate and change my attitude. I obviously am smart and can do it... I just need to find a way to make it happen. Thanks for making me realize that.


Good for you, dude. Best of luck!


Thanks and thanks for the advice!

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Re: In need of some advice... 3.65 GPA 146 LSAT... PLEASE!!

Postby crumpetsandtea » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:52 pm

livelovelaugh49 wrote:Ya, I agree that I didn't give myself enough this past test (a month), but the test before I studied for a good 3 months, but I WILL conquer this test. I am going to print out those schedules as well as some other schedules I have began using. I know timing is one of my big issues right now as well as the reading section. When it comes to reading (I know this is going to make me sound not so bright), I am not used to reading such dense material-- so I guess I just need to constantly practice the reading sections? Any recommendation with that? Logic games come easy to me and logical reasoning is in the middle (I always get down to the two answers... the right answer being one of them, but I ALWAYS pick the wrong one, just my luck!). So, any study tactics that worked like a charm for you along with the schedules? One study schedule, I think pikes?, recommended doing logic games repeatedly (not the same day, but over a period of time) did you do that? If so, would you recommend that for logical reasoning and the reading sections too? Let me know :) Thanks for the advice!

FWIW, I studied for the LSAT for 6 months this year and I still only got 1 point over my cold diagnostic. The LSAT takes a lot of work.

I'm the same as you-- LG easy, RC hardest, LR in middle. I HIGHLY recommend PS for LR/LG, and the Manhattan Guide for RC. If you're good at LG, DO NOT SETTLE for anything less than consistent -0's in that section. LG is very learnable, and it's all about practicing and getting a rhythm/making it feel automatic. I consider LG a mental rest on the LSAT because so much of it is automatic for me now.

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Re: In need of some advice... 3.65 GPA 146 LSAT... PLEASE!!

Postby CanadianWolf » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:03 pm

@crumpetsandtea: Was your diagnostic a 179 ?




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