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3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:24 pm

Large Public University in Texas
3.816/3.61 (see below) UGPA
Majors: History and Communication
177 LSAT

Before I took my LSAT, I was really wanting to go to UT-Austin but the score opened my eyes to the higher ends of T-14.

Here's my question, though. My junior and senior years of high school, I took classes full time at a Directional State University (part of an early entrance college program) and got a 3.43 which drags my current cumulative to 3.61. Those semesters, though, went 3.35, 3.38, 3.25, 3.92 and I was taking math/science classes during that time and I was 16 and 17 years old. Does this early bad performance sink my chances at T-10? I'd really appreciate someone chiming in for:

HYS, Columbia, Duke, UVa, NU, UT, and Chicago

Am I correct in thinking that my high school-era grades do have to be reported, and if so should I say something in my Personal Statement? I heard that was taboo...

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby dissonance1848 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:26 pm

The difference between a 3.8 and a 3.6 matters for getting into Harvard, and also for getting money at the lower T10-14, but besides that you are in all these schools (and out at Y/S, unless you have uber softs).

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby KibblesAndVick » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:30 pm

Those classes are going to be counted when LSAC calculates your GPA. So you're looking at a 3.61/177. You're still money for most of the T10. Yale, Stanford, and Berkley probably aren't going to happen because they put a big emphasis on high GPA. You have a shot at Harvard and you should get in everywhere else.

You're in a good place.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:33 pm

KibblesAndVick wrote:Those classes are going to be counted when LSAC calculates your GPA. So you're looking at a 3.61/177. You're still money for most of the T10. Yale, Stanford, and Berkley probably aren't going to happen because they put a big emphasis on high GPA. You have a shot at Harvard and you should get in everywhere else.

You're in a good place.

In your opinion, should I spent time drafting a supplement explaining my first two years? I'm concerned about how the transferage (I'm making it a word, deal with it) will appear, since I'll essentially look like I've been in college for 5 years, which isn't really true. This is countered in my mind with having been told numerous times that you never mention anything before undergrad on your app

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby KibblesAndVick » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:42 pm

If you keep it short and to the point I don't think it will hurt you to write an addendum explaining that you were taking college classes in high school (side rant: it's idiotic that you can get penalized/rewarded for taking actual college classes in high school but if you take AP classes and get college credit or fail miserably and end up with a 1 it doesn't matter...).

It won't change the fact that your LSAC GPA is a 3.61 though. That's what they have to report when they compile the statistics for their incoming class so that's what they use to evaluate applicants. If I were you I'd probably write it but just don't get your hopes up that it will make a big difference.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:45 pm

KibblesAndVick wrote:If you keep it short and to the point I don't think it will hurt you to write an addendum explaining that you were taking college classes in high school (side rant: it's idiotic that you can get penalized/rewarded for taking actual college classes in high school but if you take AP classes and get college credit or fail miserably and end up with a 1 it doesn't matter...).

It won't change the fact that your LSAC GPA is a 3.61 though. That's what they have to report when they compile the statistics for their incoming class so that's what they use to evaluate applicants. If I were you I'd probably write it but just don't get your hopes up that it will make a big difference.

(joining your side rant) It is totally ridiculous. I moved into a dorm and took 16, 19, 21, 16 hours of courses, heavy on math and science, mostly engineering sections, and yeah, I did a crappy job with my grades. I was 16 for crying out loud. It penalized me applying to undergrad, and now its doing the same for law school. But I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby Moxie » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:46 pm

With a 3.61/177, you have an outside shot at HLS, you'll be rejected at Yale and Stanford, but in with money down the line (except for possible yield protection)

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Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:49 pm

You are still looking strong for Harvard and Columbia. I think these two are your goals. Work hard on apps but Y and S are probably going to be tough unless your GPA does come back at 3.8. If so then Yale, if not then Harvard. Pretty dang good spot you are in. congrats.

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Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:51 pm

Law Sauce wrote:You are still looking strong for Harvard and Columbia. I think these two are your goals. Work hard on apps but Y and S are probably going to be tough unless your GPA does come back at 3.8. If so then Yale, if not then Harvard. Pretty dang good spot you are in. congrats.

Wait. Why would I be in Harvard but not Yale at 3.6/177, then Yale but not Harvard at 3.8/177?

(I'm new to this, a week ago I figured I'd be sending apps to SMU and UT and ending up in Austin)

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:58 pm

the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:You are still looking strong for Harvard and Columbia. I think these two are your goals. Work hard on apps but Y and S are probably going to be tough unless your GPA does come back at 3.8. If so then Yale, if not then Harvard. Pretty dang good spot you are in. congrats.

Wait. Why would I be in Harvard but not Yale at 3.6/177, then Yale but not Harvard at 3.8/177?

(I'm new to this, a week ago I figured I'd be sending apps to SMU and UT and ending up in Austin)


No with 3.8/177 you would be in at both but would choose Yale. I meant by that that that was where you would end up... 3 "that"s in a row, wow.

Surprisingly however, short of great softs, you're might be out at S either way. But that could be wrong.

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Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:08 pm

Law Sauce wrote:
the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:You are still looking strong for Harvard and Columbia. I think these two are your goals. Work hard on apps but Y and S are probably going to be tough unless your GPA does come back at 3.8. If so then Yale, if not then Harvard. Pretty dang good spot you are in. congrats.

Wait. Why would I be in Harvard but not Yale at 3.6/177, then Yale but not Harvard at 3.8/177?

(I'm new to this, a week ago I figured I'd be sending apps to SMU and UT and ending up in Austin)


No with 3.8/177 you would be in at both but would choose Yale. I meant by that that that was where you would end up... 3 "that"s in a row, wow.

Surprisingly however, short of great softs, you're might be out at S either way. But that could be wrong.

I have pretty solid softs, but a rather weak understanding of what exactly a strong soft would be. My best one is probably that I run an annual creative problem solving tournament at the regional level, in charge of 50 or so adults and around 300 participants, and I'm also involved (same organization) at the state, national, and international levels.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:13 pm

the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:
the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:You are still looking strong for Harvard and Columbia. I think these two are your goals. Work hard on apps but Y and S are probably going to be tough unless your GPA does come back at 3.8. If so then Yale, if not then Harvard. Pretty dang good spot you are in. congrats.

Wait. Why would I be in Harvard but not Yale at 3.6/177, then Yale but not Harvard at 3.8/177?

(I'm new to this, a week ago I figured I'd be sending apps to SMU and UT and ending up in Austin)


No with 3.8/177 you would be in at both but would choose Yale. I meant by that that that was where you would end up... 3 "that"s in a row, wow.

Surprisingly however, short of great softs, you're might be out at S either way. But that could be wrong.

I have pretty solid softs, but a rather weak understanding of what exactly a strong soft would be. My best one is probably that I run an annual creative problem solving tournament at the regional level, in charge of 50 or so adults and around 300 participants, and I'm also involved (same organization) at the state, national, and international levels.


Play that up as much as possible. But short of fantastic softs, softs dont really mean too much. Probably most people have something on their resume that is similar to you in some respects. For Stanford clinching softs, I am really talking about fantastic ones. Starting a multi-million dollar start-up company, PHD in Physics from MIT, or state senator or something. But who knows, it can only be a plus.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:17 pm

Law Sauce wrote:
Play that up as much as possible. But short of fantastic softs, softs dont really mean too much. Probably most people have something on their resume that is similar to you in some respects. For Stanford clinching softs, I am really talking about fantastic ones. Starting a multi-million dollar start-up company, PHD in Physics from MIT, or state senator or something. But who knows, it can only be a plus.

Damn, you mean turning down my election was a bad decision? If only I had known....

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:28 pm

the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:
Play that up as much as possible. But short of fantastic softs, softs dont really mean too much. Probably most people have something on their resume that is similar to you in some respects. For Stanford clinching softs, I am really talking about fantastic ones. Starting a multi-million dollar start-up company, PHD in Physics from MIT, or state senator or something. But who knows, it can only be a plus.

Damn, you mean turning down my election was a bad decision? If only I had known....


Y and H are still ranked higher anyway :P

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:40 pm

Law Sauce wrote:
the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:
Play that up as much as possible. But short of fantastic softs, softs dont really mean too much. Probably most people have something on their resume that is similar to you in some respects. For Stanford clinching softs, I am really talking about fantastic ones. Starting a multi-million dollar start-up company, PHD in Physics from MIT, or state senator or something. But who knows, it can only be a plus.

Damn, you mean turning down my election was a bad decision? If only I had known....


Y and H are still ranked higher anyway :P

but Y and H are cold as balls and I'm from Texas.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:47 pm

the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:
the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:
Play that up as much as possible. But short of fantastic softs, softs dont really mean too much. Probably most people have something on their resume that is similar to you in some respects. For Stanford clinching softs, I am really talking about fantastic ones. Starting a multi-million dollar start-up company, PHD in Physics from MIT, or state senator or something. But who knows, it can only be a plus.

Damn, you mean turning down my election was a bad decision? If only I had known....


Y and H are still ranked higher anyway :P

but Y and H are cold as balls and I'm from Texas.


Y and H are exactly the temperature that they want to be. :wink: You will get used to it.

Actually, no you are right, good point, I'll go there and you can take my spot somewhere warm.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:07 pm

Law Sauce wrote:Y and H are exactly the temperature that they want to be. :wink: You will get used to it.

Actually, no you are right, good point, I'll go there and you can take my spot somewhere warm.

k, should we write them and coordinate that, then? Or just switch ID's when we get there to start class?

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Postby Law Sauce » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:13 pm

the_phoenix612 wrote:
Law Sauce wrote:Y and H are exactly the temperature that they want to be. :wink: You will get used to it.

Actually, no you are right, good point, I'll go there and you can take my spot somewhere warm.

k, should we write them and coordinate that, then? Or just switch ID's when we get there to start class?


IDs and probably plastic surgery should do the trick. Also, lots of beta on all your personal relationship should prove incredibility helpful. kbaithx

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby mdamorica » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:27 pm

This wouldn't happen to be the same phoenix from a certain Texas high school football website would it?

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Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:03 pm

mdamorica wrote:This wouldn't happen to be the same phoenix from a certain Texas high school football website would it?

The one who cross-posted this same info today on that site? Sure is! To whom am I speaking?

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby mdamorica » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:21 pm

I'm not registered over there but I've been reading it for quite some time. You vs. the mob has gotten me through many a dull days work. Congrats on the 177 I'd probably cut off a ball to have that instead of my 164.

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Re: 3.8?, 177

Postby the_phoenix612 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:23 pm

mdamorica wrote:I'm not registered over there but I've been reading it for quite some time. You vs. the mob has gotten me through many a dull days work. Congrats on the 177 I'd probably cut off a ball to have that instead of my 164.

Glad to hear that I'm entertaining. I do my best to keep from punching some (owls) in the face through the internet, and I usually succeed lol




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