3.54, 170, what are my chances?

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3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby legallybrunette12345 » Wed May 25, 2011 7:07 am

i'm trying to figure out what my chances are for a t14 law school.
i'm currently an undergrad at an ivy league school
softs - VP of a pre-law fraternity, involved in asian american activist movements on campus, interned with the local government and will be interning with a pro-bono legal defense fund this summer.
gpa is at a 3.54, and my practice tests are averaging at a 170.
i'm thinking -
reach - nyu/columbia
targets - cornell, duke, northwestern, chicago, penn
any other suggestions?
?

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby théo » Wed May 25, 2011 10:12 am

Chicago is going to be a reach for you too.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Mike12188 » Wed May 25, 2011 10:16 am

théo wrote:Chicago is going to be a reach for you too.

And Penn

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Muenchen » Wed May 25, 2011 10:16 am

First, come back when you have a REAL LSAT score. No one is really going to give you substantive advice with just your PT scores.

And based on this, like other people have said, Chicago should definitely be among the reaches, and possibly also Penn.

Assuming these end up being your actual stats, blanket the T15 and maybe throw in apps to CCN.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed May 25, 2011 2:22 pm

If you do actually score a 170, taking a quick glance at LSN would tell you that...

With an ED application you will probably get these results:

CCN : Out (may get a consolation spot on a WL)
MVPD : In
CG : In

With a RD application you will probably get these results:

CCN : See above
MVPD : Rejected / WL
CG : WL / In


The only thing that may swing things slightly in your favor is your Ivy undergrad. Sometimes that can be a bit of a wild card in admissions to top law schools.

Also, with a 172+ LSAT, and ED application to CCN (more so CN excluding Columbia) could result in acceptance.

Note: With Penn and Duke have nearly identical class sizes as well as class medians, if Penn is a reach, then Duke is also a reach (so add it to the reach list!).

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby wojo96 » Wed May 25, 2011 2:25 pm

No WE and low-ish GPA = no NU.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby dpk711 » Wed May 25, 2011 2:27 pm

Muenchen wrote:come back when you have a REAL LSAT score

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed May 25, 2011 2:27 pm

Also, NW with those stats and no work experience is WL / reject.

Thus, if you intend on applying RD to all of those school to see Fin Aid and/or scholarship offers, your school list categorized as reaches or targets looks like this:

Reach : Columbia, NYU, Chicago, NW
Semi - Reach: Penn, Duke (once again, you could gain acceptance because of your Ivy undergrad but stats very borderline)
Target : Cornell

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed May 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed May 25, 2011 3:13 pm

Who administered your practice LSAT tests ? If it was self-administered, then you may not score as high on an actual sitting for the LSAT due to nerves, test-day pressures & strictly enforced time limits.

P.S. If you score in the 160s, you need to consider geographic preferences since almost all non-Top 14 law schools are regional with respect to placement.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby dpk711 » Wed May 25, 2011 5:25 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Who administered your practice LSAT tests ? If it was self-administered, then you may not score as high on an actual sitting for the LSAT due to nerves, test-day pressures & strictly enforced time limits.

P.S. If you score in the 160s, you need to consider geographic preferences since almost all non-Top 14 law schools are regional with respect to placement.

Yes, and further even non-HYS T14 are regional to some degree.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Salty » Wed May 25, 2011 6:06 pm

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby legallybrunette12345 » Thu May 26, 2011 3:10 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.


- Cornell undergrad, which is known for its grade deflation.


Would applying ED anywhere up my chances?

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Mike12188 » Thu May 26, 2011 7:35 am

legallybrunette12345 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.


- Cornell undergrad, which is known for its grade deflation.


Would applying ED anywhere up my chances?


Everyone says their UG is known for grade deflation. Thing is, Adcomms don't care. Well at least there is plenty of evidence to suggest it doesn't help.

ED would substantially increase your chances and you're most likely looking at sticker at all T14 anyway. I'd ED to an MVP.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby théo » Thu May 26, 2011 9:03 am

legallybrunette12345 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.


- Cornell undergrad, which is known for its grade deflation.


Would applying ED anywhere up my chances?


Is your major something like biochem or more like gender studies?

Also since it seems like you are Asian and there has been some confusion on the boards about this before, you are not considered an URM, so don't count on a boost.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby wojo96 » Thu May 26, 2011 9:09 am

lawyerwannabe wrote:The only thing that may swing things slightly in your favor is your Ivy undergrad.


Not to be that guy, but anecdotally, I don't think Cornell is the kind of Ivy that's going to give you a bump.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby stylishlaw » Thu May 26, 2011 9:44 am

This has been discussed before. Undergrad gives pretty much no boost. That said, maximize your chances of getting into Michigan.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Muenchen » Thu May 26, 2011 9:58 am

wojo96 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:The only thing that may swing things slightly in your favor is your Ivy undergrad.


Not to be that guy, but anecdotally, I don't think Cornell is the kind of Ivy that's going to give you a bump.


This. Similarly anecdotally, it's basically HYP or Whatever Else when it comes to UG helping your app.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby théo » Thu May 26, 2011 12:29 pm

Muenchen wrote:
wojo96 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:The only thing that may swing things slightly in your favor is your Ivy undergrad.


Not to be that guy, but anecdotally, I don't think Cornell is the kind of Ivy that's going to give you a bump.


This. Similarly anecdotally, it's basically HYP or Whatever Else when it comes to UG helping your app.


+MIT

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby DaftAndDirect » Thu May 26, 2011 12:43 pm

Mike12188 wrote:
legallybrunette12345 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.


- Cornell undergrad, which is known for its grade deflation.


Would applying ED anywhere up my chances?


Everyone says their UG is known for grade deflation. Thing is, Adcomms don't care. Well at least there is plenty of evidence to suggest it doesn't help.

ED would substantially increase your chances and you're most likely looking at sticker at all T14 anyway. I'd ED to an MVP.



Since when does ED-ing anywhere "substantially" increase your chances? In the best cases I've read it's only a "feather on the scale" - per Johann at NU - and in the worst case I've read it's nothing more than a marketing gimmick to net a few more above median LSATs per cycle - per Ann Levine of lawschoolexpert.com.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Corwin » Thu May 26, 2011 3:42 pm

Muenchen wrote:
wojo96 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:The only thing that may swing things slightly in your favor is your Ivy undergrad.


Not to be that guy, but anecdotally, I don't think Cornell is the kind of Ivy that's going to give you a bump.


This. Similarly anecdotally, it's basically HYP or Whatever Else when it comes to UG helping your app.

From what I've been able to glean from LSN, MIT can give a bump in certain situations.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Snape » Tue May 31, 2011 4:20 pm

The Only thing that will matter that you can change anymore is LSAT! IVY deflated grading blah blah blah means nothing...unless it makes you feel better...otherwise you are hoping for a 172 with that GPA to have a good shot at regualr admissions to anything below Cornell...a 170 shot for a realistic ED shot anywhere...hit 169 and not much hope for anything but maybe Michigan/Cornell/GTown

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby upwardtrend » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:29 pm

Would you be interested in attending Cornell? Since its where you got your undergrad, I think you'd get in there- most schools show some slight favoritism to their own (and I believe its been confirmed that Cornell accepts a higher percentage of their own undergrads?) Plus your numbers make Cornell a target anyway in my opinion.

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Re: 3.54, 170, what are my chances?

Postby Mike12188 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:59 pm

DaftAndDirect wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:
legallybrunette12345 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Until you have an actual LSAT score, it is difficult to offer a reasonable guess. lawschoolnumbers.com & lawschoolpredictor.com may be helpful to you.

Which Ivy & what major ? I ask because most Ivies are known for grade inflation & a 3.54 from several Ivies may be considered low. Once you register with LSDAS & have an actual LSAT score, you will receive a summary that includes the average GPA for law school applicants from your university.


- Cornell undergrad, which is known for its grade deflation.


Would applying ED anywhere up my chances?


Everyone says their UG is known for grade deflation. Thing is, Adcomms don't care. Well at least there is plenty of evidence to suggest it doesn't help.

ED would substantially increase your chances and you're most likely looking at sticker at all T14 anyway. I'd ED to an MVP.



Since when does ED-ing anywhere "substantially" increase your chances? In the best cases I've read it's only a "feather on the scale" - per Johann at NU - and in the worst case I've read it's nothing more than a marketing gimmick to net a few more above median LSATs per cycle - per Ann Levine of lawschoolexpert.com.


You clearly don't read these boards too much do you. There is a reason "ED to UVA" is the most common response to an splitter advice thread. Just because it may not help at some schools does not mean it is a gimmick everywhere, which is why I advised him to ED to an MVP.




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