3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

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3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Stolzerpilz » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:07 am

Hello all,

I'll be graduating with a double major in Economics and Political Science. My softs are languages--French, Spanish, German, Japanese--all at 3 year advanced proficiency or higher, along with internship experiences in the parliament, and a think tank in the Middle East. I'm interested in International Law (esp. labor, human rights)

I'm looking at:

Stanford
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
U Chicago

Any input would be much appreciated!
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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby lawschooliseasy » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:26 am

Retake.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby hjag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:27 am

GPA is hovering on the low side of what Harvard will accept, but since they are always more receptive of HYPS students, that LSAT might just get you in.
I bet you're in at Columbia. Same for Chicago.

Yale and Stanford are black boxes of sorts. Your softs are pretty good, I'm just not sure they're good enough for Yale and Stanford.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Stolzerpilz » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:51 am

Retake? Really? (I'm seriously asking lol)

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby bhan87 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:58 am

Stolzerpilz wrote:Retake? Really? (I'm seriously asking lol)


He's trolling. You should be slapped if you retake a 177. You have a very good shot at CCN and your chances are not bad for HYS.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby piccolittle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:00 pm

Stolzerpilz wrote:Retake? Really? (I'm seriously asking lol)


No, not really.

To be honest, I think you're in everywhere (except Yale, that old coquette). Just don't come to Columbia because you make me feel inferior... 8)

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby bostlaw » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:05 pm

I dnt know what ppl are talking about with the maybes at columbia, your in.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby DoubleChecks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:17 pm

i agree that you're prob solid for CCN; iffier at HYS. YS are hard to guess, but even at H, your GPA is a bit low. the JR era is a bit more GPA friendly imo, and ive seen plenty of 3.7/177+'s get waitlisted last cycle. of course, this should not change your application process -- apply to all T6, you'll most likely get in some lol.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Stolzerpilz » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:23 pm

What's JR?

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby starrydreamz3 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:30 pm

Stolzerpilz wrote:What's JR?


Dean of Harvard Law

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Army2Law » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:32 pm

Your high LSAT should make up for your "low" GPA for HYS and your softs are actually substantial and interesting enough that I could see you potentially being accepted at all three. Before someone spouts off with boilerplate "zomg softs don't matter!" I think you'd be a much more interesting person to have in a law school class than someone with a 179 and a 4.0 who just studied and did some lame student orgs while in college. I'm not an adcom, so my opinion may not matter, but I also was WL'd at Harvard when my numbers standing alone said I should have been auto-dinged.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby DoubleChecks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:34 pm

Army2Law wrote:Your high LSAT should make up for your "low" GPA for HYS and your softs are actually substantial and interesting enough that I could see you potentially being accepted at all three. Before someone spouts off with boilerplate "zomg softs don't matter!" I think you'd be a much more interesting person to have in a law school class than someone with a 179 and a 4.0 who just studied and did some lame student orgs while in college. I'm not an adcom, so my opinion may not matter, but I also was WL'd at Harvard when my numbers standing alone said I should have been auto-dinged.


he may be more interesting than a 4.0/179, but that 4.0/179 has WAY better odds of getting into HYS than he does period (well, maybe not YLS, who knows there). the thing is, HLS and SLS both have "soft" GPA floors at 3.8 and hard ones at 3.7 (assuming you're not URM or exceptional in some other way [unfortunately i dont think OP qualifies as the 'exceptional' that im thinking about]).

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby icpb » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:39 pm

I would guess that you are in at HLS, Columbia, and Chicago.

YLS and SLS is a blackbox for everyone. Your GPA would hurt you significantly at Stanford.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Army2Law » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:41 pm

My point is that he passes the threshold for being considered as a whole candidate instead of being ignored due to low numbers. He speaks 8 languages at a proficient level and has substantial international work experience. That is, in my opinion, a very strong candidate. Numbers may be a big part of the process, but they obviously aren't the only part or Yale's median numbers would be higher than 3.93 and 173 because they would just fill their class with 4.0 180 people (since I'm fairly sure enough of those exist to fill Yale's entire school if they really wanted to go that route)

In fact, I'm going to be bold and audacious and say:

OP is in at Yale

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby DoubleChecks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:49 pm

Army2Law wrote:My point is that he passes the threshold for being considered as a whole candidate instead of being ignored due to low numbers. He speaks 8 languages at a proficient level and has substantial international work experience. That is, in my opinion, a very strong candidate. Numbers may be a big part of the process, but they obviously aren't the only part or Yale's median numbers would be higher than 3.93 and 173 because they would just fill their class with 4.0 180 people (since I'm fairly sure enough of those exist to fill Yale's entire school if they really wanted to go that route)

In fact, I'm going to be bold and audacious and say:

OP is in at Yale


haha you're forgetting URMs however (and how that affects medians)

that being said, you can be as bold as you want and say OP is in YLS -- you might be right. im not saying it cant happen, im just saying i have no idea if it would happen or not. SLS and HLS tend to not like to dip below 3.8's...and im definitely considering splitters with high LSAT GPAs here. it happens a good amount of the time still, just saying...being "proficient" in 8 languages is cool and an interesting soft, i admit, but i also feel as if you're underestimating the softs of some of the other ppl in HYS lol.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Stolzerpilz » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:45 pm

Does being an international student (East Asian, and did the regular local curriculum all the way up to just before uni) and female factor in somehow?

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby Stolzerpilz » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:00 pm

Also, I'm finishing up in December, and if I were to send in my apps at the end of December, it would increase my GPA up to 3.74-75, Would you advise to take advantage of sending in the apps early when the system opens up wait until everything is at its best? Thanks a lot!

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby 09042014 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:09 pm

Lock at CCN.

HYS is another matter. Odds are against you, but it's worth applications.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby DoubleChecks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:14 pm

Stolzerpilz wrote:Also, I'm finishing up in December, and if I were to send in my apps at the end of December, it would increase my GPA up to 3.74-75, Would you advise to take advantage of sending in the apps early when the system opens up wait until everything is at its best? Thanks a lot!


imo, id take advantage of sending it in early. your GPA would still be below 3.8 either way. being international im sure may affect it some way or another, but i really i have no idea and am only guessing. being east asian + female certainly would not help you however as that is subset is over-represented in law school.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby subtle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:33 pm

Send your aps early. You can always update your transcript.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby hjag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:38 pm

Not to be pessimistic (ok, I am), but being East Asian will pretty much always hurt you to some degree in admissions. It's an overrepresented subgroup in higher education, and contrary to common belief, people don't always receive the rewards they deserve when they work hard in this country. Effort matters, but so does your race.
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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby artichoke » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:38 pm

Are people really taking this seriously? Or are all the responses here an attempt at subtle humor?

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby BeachandRun23 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:40 pm

You should be in at all of CCN. Harvard might normally be a no with your gpa, but id say all the languages might be just the boost to tip the scales ever so slightly in the other direction. I'd say in.

As for stanford, they really like high gpas, but you have the languages and you are an alum. I;'d say 50/50 shot here at worst.

Good luck! I really think you will get one of HYS and all of CCN.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby hjag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:42 pm

BeachandRun23 wrote:You should be in at all of CCN. Harvard might normally be a no with your gpa, but id say all the languages might be just the boost to tip the scales ever so slightly in the other direction. I'd say in.

As for stanford, they really like high gpas, but you have the languages and you are an alum. I;'d say 50/50 shot here at worst.

Good luck! I really think you will get one of HYS and all of CCN.


I'm not sure being from Stanford ugrad will help. I've seen a Stanford ugrad with similar #s on LSN who was not admitted. To any of the T3, actually. Though to be fair, I think her LSAT was in the low 170s.
But still, you have some pretty good qualities that set you apart from the average applicant, so I'd say you have a chance and will probably get into at least one of HYS.

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Re: 3.72/177 Top 5 Undergrad

Postby DoubleChecks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:09 pm

artichoke wrote:Are people really taking this seriously? Or are all the responses here an attempt at subtle humor?


OP's question seems legit...whats odd about it?




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