4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

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4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:08 pm

Hey y'all,

I took the LSAT today, and will probably cancel because I think at best I will be getting the same score as in October. I'm just wondering what my chances will be at getting $ at GW and perhaps doing Georgetown with their ED program that runs later.

Also looking for opinions at admission/$$ prospects at the following:

BU
NYU
UCLA
USC
Berkeley
UVA, Penn, Duke
Cornell
University of Washington
UT Austin

I have an average to above average PS, average LOR, pretty average softs overall

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:09 pm

You have a shot at Georgetown... might as well.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:10 pm

s0ph1e2007 wrote:You have a shot at Georgetown... might as well.


Yeah, but if I have a chance at getting big money somewhere else (particularly GW) I might opt for that because 200k in debt scares the hell out of me.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby ATR » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:53 pm

If you are willing to ED, ED to UVA over GT ASAP. You're above their 75% GPA and it's ranked higher than Georgetown. I would guess you have a better shot at UVA than GT, anyway (via ED for both). Are you by chance a VA resident?

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:06 am

I didn't realize I was still able to get into UVA Ed. What's their deadline I wasn't able to find it on their website. I'll do that and if I don't get it I'll apply gtown Ed.

Also, I'm not a va resident.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby Mike12188 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:09 am

zephyr36 wrote:I didn't realize I was still able to get into UVA Ed. What's their deadline I wasn't able to find it on their website. I'll do that and if I don't get it I'll apply gtown Ed.

Also, I'm not a va resident.


No deadline for UVA. Without VA residency you still have a shot, not sure how good only because its pretty late, but send that app ASAP. Good luck.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby applepiecrust » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:29 am

Going by LSN from last year, you don't really seem to have a chance at Georgetown (not sure why not).

You do have a shot at Michigan and UVA (Esp. UVA ED, which is a better choice for DC area than Georgetown anyway, even though I love Georgetown).

Seriously, just play around on LSN. Just remember that numbers aren't EVERYTHING, but LSN is still a pretty solid indicator.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby HeavenWood » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:41 am

zephyr36 wrote:
s0ph1e2007 wrote:You have a shot at Georgetown... might as well.


Yeah, but if I have a chance at getting big money somewhere else (particularly GW) I might opt for that because 200k in debt scares the hell out of me.


You have a chance at money, but not big money. GW makes many people pay sticker in your #s range.

You also have much a better chance ED'ing at UVA.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby Flips88 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:03 pm

If you're heavily interested in GW, you can ED there. ED gets you a Presidential Merit Scholarship, which gets you full tuition for 3 years. http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/apply ... early.aspx Tempting option.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:04 pm

I would have done that but I won't have time to. Get everything tougher by the deadline. I'm hoping that my numbers will get me into gw. I have no interest in big law so I want to go somewhere with strong placemen in the pi/govt sector.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby nealric » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:14 pm

Try applying to Georgetown part time if you have any work experience. Don't check the "both" box- just part time.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby Snape » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:01 pm

I wouldnt really hold out any chance at money at GW....not that you dont deserve it...but they'd much rather give money to 169+ with any GPA....I agree with the UVA ED if you dont mind the debt---they have great loan forgiveness for PI work....

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby Flips88 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:07 pm

Snape wrote:I wouldnt really hold out any chance at money at GW....not that you dont deserve it...but they'd much rather give money to 169+ with any GPA....I agree with the UVA ED if you dont mind the debt---they have great loan forgiveness for PI work....


Check LSN, last year there are people with like 167, 3.8 that got $105k in scholly. 166, 3.8 with $45k. so i think he'll get at least some money, just not that much.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:08 pm

Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby AreJay711 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:14 pm

zephyr36 wrote:Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.

Unless you are a VA resident, then no. I think that advice gets thrown around a lot but isn't really that true (at least not this time of the cycle). If you do ED somewhere missing out on Scholarship money is tough but I think if you get into a UVA or even GULC it would probably be a better deal than 45K from GW.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby sundance95 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:15 pm

zephyr36 wrote:Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.


You have no chance at a 45k scholarship at GW with that LSAT. You can ED to UVA but it may be too late in the cycle for that to get you in. TCR is retake-do nothing but prep. If you get above a 170 you are looking a $$ in the lower T14 with that GPA. That's worth taking an extra year before getting your JD.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby sundance95 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:16 pm

AreJay711 wrote:Unless you are a VA resident, then no. I think that advice gets thrown around a lot but isn't really that true (at least not this time of the cycle).

Are you basing this on anything but your own gut feeling?

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:27 pm

sundance95 wrote:
zephyr36 wrote:Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.


You have no chance at a 45k scholarship at GW with that LSAT. You can ED to UVA but it may be too late in the cycle for that to get you in. TCR is retake-do nothing but prep. If you get above a 170 you are looking a $$ in the lower T14 with that GPA. That's worth taking an extra year before getting your JD.


I did retake last weekend, and I canceled. I'm applying to TFA, and if I'm accepted then I will likely retake the LSAT at the end of my commitment. Otherwise, I'll probably see where I can get the most money within the 15-25.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby sundance95 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:28 pm

zephyr36 wrote:
sundance95 wrote:
zephyr36 wrote:Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.


You have no chance at a 45k scholarship at GW with that LSAT. You can ED to UVA but it may be too late in the cycle for that to get you in. TCR is retake-do nothing but prep. If you get above a 170 you are looking a $$ in the lower T14 with that GPA. That's worth taking an extra year before getting your JD.


I did retake last weekend, and I canceled. I'm applying to TFA, and if I'm accepted then I will likely retake the LSAT at the end of my commitment. Otherwise, I'll probably see where I can get the most money within the 15-25.


Did you prep any differently than you did the first time?

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby AreJay711 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:29 pm

sundance95 wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:Unless you are a VA resident, then no. I think that advice gets thrown around a lot but isn't really that true (at least not this time of the cycle).

Are you basing this on anything but your own gut feeling?

Just looking at LSP and Law School Numbers. I have a slightly worse GPA and slightly higher LSAT (3.93/168) and UVA didn't really look that attractive to me especially and especially not now when a large part of the class is already in ED with RD applications to consider as well. Of course, LSP could be wrong but idk if the TLS collective is really smarter than LSN. The only real reason to give that advice now is because many other school's early decision option is over but it is not necessarily better than applying ED to Duke or holding out for Berkeley.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:34 pm

sundance95 wrote:
zephyr36 wrote:
sundance95 wrote:
zephyr36 wrote:Would applying ED really boost my chances at UVA that much? If LSN is right then I'd hate to not even have the chance to consider a 45k scholarship from GW.


You have no chance at a 45k scholarship at GW with that LSAT. You can ED to UVA but it may be too late in the cycle for that to get you in. TCR is retake-do nothing but prep. If you get above a 170 you are looking a $$ in the lower T14 with that GPA. That's worth taking an extra year before getting your JD.


I did retake last weekend, and I canceled. I'm applying to TFA, and if I'm accepted then I will likely retake the LSAT at the end of my commitment. Otherwise, I'll probably see where I can get the most money within the 15-25.


Did you prep any differently than you did the first time?


Definitely not as hard because I had school, work, and was finishing my thesis. I took a handful of full tests with sections varied in between. I was averaging about 169 (166 was a high score for me when I first took it), but the December test was absolutely brutal. I collapse on two of the games and had to blind guess two question on an LR section.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby Flips88 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:49 pm

You have no chance at a 45k scholarship at GW with that LSAT. .


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/stripes485

166, 3.8, applied in January and got offered $45k.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:22 pm

So is the consensus that ED at UVA wouldn't really increase my chances at this point? Looking at LSN, it appears that a good amount of people with my numbers last year got into UVA when applying in late Dec./Early Jan.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby ATR » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:58 pm

zephyr36 wrote:So is the consensus that ED at UVA wouldn't really increase my chances at this point? Looking at LSN, it appears that a good amount of people with my numbers last year got into UVA when applying in late Dec./Early Jan.

No, the opposite - it would immensely increase your chances. Without ED, you probably won't get in since your LSAT's below their 25%. With ED, you'll likely get in because your GPA is above their 75%. Just be prepared to pay sticker.

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Re: 4.0/166 $$ at GW? ED to Georgetown?

Postby zephyr36 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:12 pm

UVA is probably the only place right now that, considering my numbers, I would be willing to pay sticker at. I have enough confidence that I could land a decent job either in Biglaw for a few years or in PI with LARP to help out with a UVA degree. So it sounds like I'm going to go ahead and sign that ED agreement then.




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