Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

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Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby sheela » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:45 am

Hi all,

I was wondering if you could help me piece together an idea of how likely I am to be admitted to the top law schools. I have a 172, cumulative 3.85, 2 bachelor's degrees (one of which had a 4.0), 2 graduate degrees (via Marshall scholarship). My degrees are in music and cognitive science, and I have quite a bit of research experience, teaching experience, music performance, scientific publications/conference presentations, etc.

I'm applying to the top 7 schools. I'm a female Indian American, so not exactly an UNDERrepresented minority. I submitted my applications in early December, except for YLS and NYU, which I'm still working on.

(If there are any admissions officers browsing this forum, I've completely given myself away!)

Thoughts?

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby gambelda » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:55 am

Have fun at any school you want to go to. /thread.

Normally, I would bash the crap out of you for posting a thread like this but your GPA isn't in the 3.9 range. .05 saved you from my wrath.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby sheela » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:02 am

then thank goodness for that very painful dance class (and the equally painful resulting B).

:)

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby FuManChusco » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:52 am

gambelda wrote:Have fun at any school you want to go to. /thread.

Normally, I would bash the crap out of you for posting a thread like this but your GPA isn't in the 3.9 range. .05 saved you from my wrath.


ummmm, no.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby gambelda » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:26 pm

FuManChusco wrote:
gambelda wrote:Have fun at any school you want to go to. /thread.

Normally, I would bash the crap out of you for posting a thread like this but your GPA isn't in the 3.9 range. .05 saved you from my wrath.


ummmm, no.


Explain to me how a 172 LSAT with a 3.85 GPA, solid WE, Master's degree, Marshall Scholarship, and publications doesn't get into any school? Oh also...candidate is a minority AND female....

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby FuManChusco » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:48 pm

gambelda wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
gambelda wrote:Have fun at any school you want to go to. /thread.

Normally, I would bash the crap out of you for posting a thread like this but your GPA isn't in the 3.9 range. .05 saved you from my wrath.


ummmm, no.


Explain to me how a 172 LSAT with a 3.85 GPA, solid WE, Master's degree, Marshall Scholarship, and publications doesn't get into any school? Oh also...candidate is a minority AND female....


because Yale is absolutely ridiculous. a 172 3.85 never gets Yale. it normally doesn't get H or S either. every single HYS applicant has softs just like OP's with the exception of the Marshall. The Marshall Scholarship is huge, but I'm not going to be the one that says she's definitely in at all of HYS. It's very possible, but YS admissions are a damn black box. I think it's a bit prudent to get her hopes up for Y. the main reason I said "ummmmmm, no" though is because that is certainly not the /thread. I'm sure there is other information OP would like to hear, before you tell her "in everywhere, threads over."

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby sheela » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:38 pm

Thank you guys so much for your input!

Since my numbers are sort of good-not-great for the toughest schools, do you guys have any advice on things I can do in my application to increase my odds (specifically for Yale, since the others are submitted)?

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:42 pm

Curious as to how you prepared for the LSAT.

With respect to improving your chances of admission to Yale & Stanford, my best guess is that the tone of your essays should be professional, respectful & confident of your abilities but not of your admission. A touch of vulnerability may go a long way here.
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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby Gemini » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:42 pm

You sound like a URM to me, so I would think HYS are still within reach for you.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby FuManChusco » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:54 pm

Gemini Hopeful wrote:You sound like a URM to me, so I would think HYS are still within reach for you.


How does one sound like a URM? In all seriousness, she said she was a minority but not a URM. OP could write a DS if her minority status had a significant impact on her life to try to get a boost. If you want to increase odds at Yale though, write a kick ass 250.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby sheela » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:59 pm

Indian is URM now? I'm skeptical.

@CanadianWolf - I didn't prepare as much as I now wish I had, just some practice tests for a couple weeks. I'd consistently scored 175-180, so I am frankly disappointed a little at my 172 result.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby gambelda » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:09 pm

sheela wrote:Indian is URM now? I'm skeptical.

@CanadianWolf - I didn't prepare as much as I now wish I had, just some practice tests for a couple weeks. I'd consistently scored 175-180, so I am frankly disappointed a little at my 172 result.


FLAME - this is my envious response to Marshal scholars who say they are disappointed with a 172 while 99 % of the world would kill to have that score.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby im_blue » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:17 pm

out at Harvard/Yale (retake for a 173-174)
chance at Stanford
in everywhere else

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby FuManChusco » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:25 pm

sheela wrote:Indian is URM now? I'm skeptical.

@CanadianWolf - I didn't prepare as much as I now wish I had, just some practice tests for a couple weeks. I'd consistently scored 175-180, so I am frankly disappointed a little at my 172 result.


No, you are not a URM. You are a minority. You can write a DS if it impacted your life. I'm siding with Blue on this one. Likely out at HY due to numbers and who the hell knows about S. They like softs more than the others.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby Adjudicator » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:30 pm

If Native American is not URM, then it really should be.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:32 pm

The original post is not clear as to whether the OP is an American citizen with roots from India, or a Native American Indian--which is certainly an URM for law school admission purposes.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby HowdyYall » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:33 pm

Adjudicator wrote:If Native American is not URM, then it really should be.


Indian american is not Native american

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby Gemini » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:33 pm

I think she is Indian... not Native American.

And I never realized that minority and URM had different definitions in regards to law school apps.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby mrmangs » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:35 pm

Adjudicator wrote:If Native American is not URM, then it really should be.


She said Indian American, not American Indian. I.e., she is of Southeast Asian descent but was born in the US.
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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby rayiner » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:37 pm

im_blue wrote:out at Harvard/Yale (retake for a 173-174)
chance at Stanford
in everywhere else


I'd bump H/Y up to "chance" because of the Marshall scholarship.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby r6_philly » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:37 pm

mrmangs wrote:
Adjudicator wrote:If Native American is not URM, then it really should be.


She said Indian American, not American Indian. I.e., she is of Southeast Asian descent but was born in the US.


Indian is NOT Southeast Asian.

ETA: You don't have to be born here, you just have to be a citizen to be called ___ Amercian.
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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:37 pm

Minority & URM often are not one and the same. The basic premise of URM admissions is that of equal representation. For example, Jewish Americans are a minority of the total US population at about 2%, but do not qualify as URMs for law school admissions because Jews comprise significantly more than 2% of the law school population.

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby im_blue » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:38 pm

URM:
Native Americans are sometimes called American Indians.

Not URM:
Indian American refers to origins from India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American).

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Re: Scholar w 172, 3.85: Odds?

Postby mrmangs » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:38 pm

r6_philly wrote:
mrmangs wrote:
Adjudicator wrote:If Native American is not URM, then it really should be.


She said Indian American, not American Indian. I.e., she is of Southeast Asian descent but was born in the US.


Indian is NOT Southeast Asian.


Whoops, haha, yeah South Asian I meant. Particularly bad since I am Indian. :oops:




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