167 / 3.80 --- chance me

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167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby NorCalBruin » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:22 pm

Oh hello.
Numbers are 3.80 / 167 -- retaking in december.

Chance me at

Cornell EA
Virginia (ED)
UCLA
Georgetown PT
USC
Washington & Lee
William & Mary
Oregon

Already in at Texas, so nice to have a backup!

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:48 pm

NorCalBruin wrote:Oh hello.
Numbers are 3.80 / 167 -- retaking in december.

Chance me at

Cornell EA WL/out
Virginia (ED) Out
UCLA WL/Out
Georgetown PT No clue
USC In
Washington & Lee In
William & Mary In
Oregon In

Already in at Texas, so nice to have a backup!

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby ATR » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:18 pm

Definitely out at UVA ED - below both medians.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby BlueDiamond » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:20 pm

I wouldn't say definitely out at UVA if you apply ED.. are you a Virginia resident though?

I'm assuming no from your name..

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby NorCalBruin » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:22 pm

Nope. Not a Virginia resident. Cali...

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby NorCalBruin » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:23 pm

Really that little chance at cornell? Even though their median is 167, and 3.8 is above their median? Tits..

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby ATR » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:24 pm

BlueDiamond wrote:I wouldn't say definitely out at UVA if you apply ED.. are you a Virginia resident though?

Nope, definitely out. Their ED process works as follows:

1) Take a splitter (~3.5, 170+). The LSAT must be above median (170) at the start of the cycle and needs to be above 75% at this point.
2) Take a reverse-splitter (3.86+, 165+ depending on precise GPA). They need a GPA above median (3.85) to balance out the above admit. Like 1), later in the cycle you will need a GPA at/above 75%.

Unless you're in-state, that's just how it works at UVA for ED admissions. They control their medians in this way.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby Patriot1208 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:24 pm

NorCalBruin wrote:Nope. Not a Virginia resident. Cali...


With this new information, you are out at UVA almost for sure. UCLA and Cornell are toss ups. I know you would be out of Georgetown FT for sure but i'm not sure about the PT.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby Patriot1208 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:24 pm

NorCalBruin wrote:Really that little chance at cornell? Even though their median is 167, and 3.8 is above their median? Tits..


Their median is 168

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:33 pm

NorCalBruin wrote:Really that little chance at cornell? Even though their median is 167, and 3.8 is above their median? Tits..


Median is a 168.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby im_blue » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:18 pm

Cornell EA - 50%
Virginia (ED) - out
UCLA - 20%
Georgetown PT - out
USC - in probably with $

With Texas in hand, I wouldn't bother with the last 3. I'd also add Vandy, where you're likely in with $.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:01 pm

im_blue wrote:Cornell EA - 50%
Virginia (ED) - out
UCLA - 20%
Georgetown PT - out
USC - in probably with $

With Texas in hand, I wouldn't bother with the last 3. I'd also add Vandy, where you're likely in with $.


Is UCLA/Vandy considered harder to get into than Cornell?

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby Patriot1208 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:09 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell EA - 50%
Virginia (ED) - out
UCLA - 20%
Georgetown PT - out
USC - in probably with $

With Texas in hand, I wouldn't bother with the last 3. I'd also add Vandy, where you're likely in with $.


Is UCLA/Vandy considered harder to get into than Cornell?


generally, no.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:20 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell EA - 50%
Virginia (ED) - out
UCLA - 20%
Georgetown PT - out
USC - in probably with $

With Texas in hand, I wouldn't bother with the last 3. I'd also add Vandy, where you're likely in with $.


Is UCLA/Vandy considered harder to get into than Cornell?


generally, no.


I don't get Imblue's estimates then.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby im_blue » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:29 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
im_blue wrote:Cornell EA - 50%
Virginia (ED) - out
UCLA - 20%
Georgetown PT - out
USC - in probably with $

With Texas in hand, I wouldn't bother with the last 3. I'd also add Vandy, where you're likely in with $.


Is UCLA/Vandy considered harder to get into than Cornell?


generally, no.


I don't get Imblue's estimates then.

2010 Medians:
Vandy 3.72 / 169
UCLA 3.77 / 168
Cornell 3.70 / 168

It's not as simple as saying one school is more selective than another. Medians give you a rough idea of average selectivity, but since these 3 schools are so close together, you'd also have to consider the applicant's exact numbers. For a weak reverse splitter such as OP, the chances are Vandy > Cornell > UCLA. For someone with different numbers, say 3.70 / 168, it'd be Cornell > UCLA >> Vandy.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby NorCalBruin » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:36 pm

Everyone dropped some knowledge bombs. Thanks. Guess I'll be hoping for that 168 or 169 on the retake.

Cool tits.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:37 pm

2010 Medians:
Vandy 3.72 / 169
UCLA 3.77 / 168
Cornell 3.70 / 168

It's not as simple as saying one school is more selective than another. Medians give you a rough idea of average selectivity, but since these 3 schools are so close together, you'd also have to consider the applicant's exact numbers. For a weak reverse splitter such as OP, the chances are Vandy > Cornell > UCLA. For someone with different numbers, say 3.70 / 168, it'd be Cornell > UCLA >> Vandy.


Would you say 75th/25th matter also? Since both Vandy/UCLA have higher 75th LSATs and higher 75th GPA than Cornell.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby Patriot1208 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:38 pm

im_blue wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:Is UCLA/Vandy considered harder to get into than Cornell?


generally, no.


I don't get Imblue's estimates then.

2010 Medians:
Vandy 3.72 / 169
UCLA 3.77 / 168
Cornell 3.70 / 168

It's not as simple as saying one school is more selective than another. Medians give you a rough idea of average selectivity, but since these 3 schools are so close together, you'd also have to consider the applicant's exact numbers. For a weak reverse splitter such as OP, the chances are Vandy > Cornell > UCLA. For someone with different numbers, say 3.70 / 168, it'd be Cornell > UCLA >> Vandy.


for some reason I thought vandy was 168 like the others.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby im_blue » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:44 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
2010 Medians:
Vandy 3.72 / 169
UCLA 3.77 / 168
Cornell 3.70 / 168

It's not as simple as saying one school is more selective than another. Medians give you a rough idea of average selectivity, but since these 3 schools are so close together, you'd also have to consider the applicant's exact numbers. For a weak reverse splitter such as OP, the chances are Vandy > Cornell > UCLA. For someone with different numbers, say 3.70 / 168, it'd be Cornell > UCLA >> Vandy.


Would you say 75th/25th matter also? Since both Vandy/UCLA have higher 75th LSATs and higher 75th GPA than Cornell.

In general, you can compare the 25th/75th of schools with similar medians to see which are relatively friendly to splitters (low 25th GPA / high 75th LSAT) or reverse-splitter friendly (low 25th LSAT / high 75th GPA). For example, you can compare USC's 166 - 167 - 169 vs Minnesota's 159 - 167 - 168 to see that the latter accepts many more reverse splitters.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby Perch » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:56 pm

if OP doesn't get into UVA ED does it make sense to then go EDII to Duke or ED to Gtown or are those just not happening if UVA ED didn't happen?

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby whymeohgodno » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:58 pm

Perch wrote:if OP doesn't get into UVA ED does it make sense to then go EDII to Duke or ED to Gtown or are those just not happening if UVA ED didn't happen?


Those probably won't happen either. Maybe Gtown is worth a shot but don't expect much.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby ATR » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:04 pm

Perch wrote:ifWhen OP doesn't get into UVA ED does it make sense to then go EDII to Duke or ED to Gtown or are those just not happening ifwhen UVA ED didn't happen?

FTFY

Not sure, to answer your question, but I'd guess OP is out of both other schools as well.

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Re: 167 / 3.80 --- chance me

Postby im_blue » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:06 pm

Perch wrote:if OP doesn't get into UVA ED does it make sense to then go EDII to Duke or ED to Gtown or are those just not happening if UVA ED didn't happen?

Duke/GULC ED are unlikely, and UVA ED definitely is not happening.




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