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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby jbptls » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:42 pm

I have a substantial amount of credits from AP tests. I understand why this would look bad on a transcript and wonder if an addenda would help. Though my goal was not to blaze through college, it made sense to graduate early and save the $$$ if it was possible to do so. Would this be addenda worthy? Even if the decision was more of a practical one then a financial one?

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:43 pm

jbptls wrote:I have a substantial amount of credits from AP tests. I understand why this would look bad on a transcript and wonder if an addenda would help. Though my goal was not to blaze through college, it made sense to graduate early and save the $$$ if it was possible to do so. Would this be addenda worthy? Even if the decision was more of a practical one then a financial one?


One line.

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:51 pm

Veyron wrote:Ummmm, OP specifically asked about T7 (although he seems to have edited it out), was assuming he was referring to Penn also since he didn't say T6. I don't dispute that the generally accepted tiers on this here chatblog are HYS CCN MVPB (although whether this makes any sense is a whole 'nother argument and one that we need not have here).

So, egregious anti-B-specific Penn trolling.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby jbptls » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:52 pm

One line addenda?

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:53 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Veyron wrote:Ummmm, OP specifically asked about T7 (although he seems to have edited it out), was assuming he was referring to Penn also since he didn't say T6. I don't dispute that the generally accepted tiers on this here chatblog are HYS CCN MVPB (although whether this makes any sense is a whole 'nother argument and one that we need not have here).

So, egregious anti-B-specific Penn trolling.


Meh, mostly when people want to tack a school onto the T-6 outside of CA its Penn. Placement backs this up. If OP was from Calli I would have tagged B instead.

Yes, a one line addenda, 2 at most. This is simply not that important.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby kurla88 » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:55 pm

I don't think you need any addendum. You have lots of AP credits and you logically decided not to waste tons of money spending extra time fucking around in college.

Sounds fairly self-explanatory to me.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Stanford4Me » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:57 pm

Oh yeah, I should probably provide some kind of useful advice:

I agree that age is not something you should write an addendum about. What are you going to say? "I know I'm young, but I'm really mature . . . I SWEAR!" If I were an AdComm member I'd probably :roll: while reading it. But that's just my $0.02.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby D-ROCCA » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:01 pm

Addendum - singular
Addenda - plural
HTH

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby jbptls » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:02 pm

I said Top 7 because I thought it was a logical split of the Top 14. I see the error in my ways now. Here is my concern about leaving out the addendum. If someone views my numbers and puts me into the good pile, they are going to reread looking for some reason to reject me. I agree that deciding to graduate early is fairly self explanatory, but are they going to question why something like this would not be mentioned at all in the application? My transcript is good, but I doubt a block of AP credits goes without notice.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby D-ROCCA » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:04 pm

Which is why you should write the one line addendum.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby 4for44 » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:05 pm

jbptls wrote:I said Top 7 because I thought it was a logical split of the Top 14. I see the error in my ways now. Here is my concern about leaving out the addendum. If someone views my numbers and puts me into the good pile, they are going to reread looking for some reason to reject me. I agree that deciding to graduate early is fairly self explanatory, but are they going to question why something like this would not be mentioned at all in the application? My transcript is good, but a block of AP credits goes without notice.


I would add that many apps have slots for work during specific years (ie freshman, sophomore, Junior, Senior). I think answers to these would seem deficient without explanation to the circumstances (i.e. addendum)

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:07 pm

Veyron wrote:Meh, mostly when people want to tack a school onto the T-6 outside of CA its Penn. Placement backs this up. If OP was from Calli I would have tagged B instead.

No it doesn't.

MVP are regarded as equivalent for a reason. I've even spoken to placement counselors at both UVA and Penn who referred to the schools as peer schools in terms of placement. It's HYS/CCN/B/MVP. Sometimes B is lumped in with MVP, but putting Penn clearly above it or any of the other schools in it's tier is ridiculous.

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:23 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Veyron wrote:Meh, mostly when people want to tack a school onto the T-6 outside of CA its Penn. Placement backs this up. If OP was from Calli I would have tagged B instead.

No it doesn't.

MVP are regarded as equivalent for a reason. I've even spoken to placement counselors at both UVA and Penn who referred to the schools as peer schools in terms of placement. It's HYS/CCN/B/MVP. Sometimes B is lumped in with MVP, but putting Penn clearly above it or any of the other schools in it's tier is ridiculous.


Yes, obvi UVA and Penn are peers. Penn has (marginaly) superior NYC placement, UVA has (marginaly) superior D.C. placement. NYC counts for more overall. The only place in the world that B outplaces MVP is in California. However, placing 30% at OCI as opposed to 50%+ definately drops B down a notch elsewhere. When I've seen B outside of the MVP range, its always been below it, not above it, due to its dismal OCIs.

Then again, you ARE from California so I guess you can be excused.

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:28 pm

Veyron wrote:Yes, obvi UVA and Penn are peers. Penn has (marginaly) superior NYC placement, UVA has (marginaly) superior D.C. placement. NYC counts for more overall. The only place in the world that B outplaces MVP is in California. When I've seen B outside of the MVP range, its always been below it, not above it, due to its dismal OCIs.

Then again, you ARE from California so I guess you can be excused.

I'm not from CA, which just completes how wrong your entire post is.

Penn does not give you better placement odds in NYC. It places a higher percentage of its grads in NYC, but that's largely self-selection. UVA places less of its class in NYC, but not because Penn has "superior placement"; UVA grads just choose not to go to NYC at higher rates (they go to DC or elsewhere). Talking about Penn's "superior placement in NYC" is misleading.

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Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:29 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Veyron wrote:Yes, obvi UVA and Penn are peers. Penn has (marginaly) superior NYC placement, UVA has (marginaly) superior D.C. placement. NYC counts for more overall. The only place in the world that B outplaces MVP is in California. When I've seen B outside of the MVP range, its always been below it, not above it, due to its dismal OCIs.

Then again, you ARE from California so I guess you can be excused.

I'm not from CA, which just completes how wrong your entire post is.


Ok, brah, why don't you go ask some B kids how their OCI went then. There are a few on here.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby clintonius » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:30 pm

The best part about this whole thread is that VW went to UVA and everybody has ignored it to this point.

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Re: Mentioning age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:39 pm

[/quote]

Penn does not give you better placement odds in NYC. It places a higher percentage of its grads in NYC, but that's largely self-selection. UVA places less of its class in NYC, but not because Penn has "superior placement"; UVA grads just choose not to go to NYC at higher rates (they go to DC or elsewhere). Talking about Penn's "superior placement in NYC" is misleading.[/quote]

Um, we have more NYC slots per student at OCI. Also firms have more Penn grads doing hiring. Also also, Penn does have a stronger reputation in the City. Penn for NYC, UVA for DC is well known. This is just silly.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Stanford4Me » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:02 pm

We're talking about Penn State, right?

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby whymeohgodno » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:13 pm

No one gives a shit about these marginal comparisons between Penn and UVA. Take your school epeen measurements elsewhere - for non twats they are EQUAL.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby IAFG » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:17 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:No one gives a shit about these marginal comparisons between Penn and UVA. Take your school epeen measurements elsewhere - for non twats they are EQUAL.

not to support veyron's trolling but i think the rules are being re-written ITE and we're all still getting a handle on how schools that we had assumed were peers might not actually be, or might not place equally in markets that are hiring relatively aggressively. i don't think these discussions are completely frivolous.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:22 pm

IAFG wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:No one gives a shit about these marginal comparisons between Penn and UVA. Take your school epeen measurements elsewhere - for non twats they are EQUAL.

not to support veyron's trolling but i think the rules are being re-written ITE and we're all still getting a handle on how schools that we had assumed were peers might not actually be, or might not place equally in markets that are hiring relatively aggressively. i don't think these discussions are completely frivolous.


This is very true. I remember when Chicago was considered to place far better than NYU. Likewise, when NU was considered to place markedly worse than Mich, etc. Times they are a-changing.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby jbptls » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:28 pm

though I do not wish to violate decorum by interrupting the current conversation, can anyone else shed light on whether or not to include an addendum?

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby stratocophic » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:33 pm

jbptls wrote:though I do not wish to violate decorum by interrupting the current conversation, can anyone else shed light on whether or not to include an addendum?
NO

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Postby Veyron » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:36 pm

jbptls wrote:though I do not wish to violate decorum by interrupting the current conversation, can anyone else shed light on whether or not to include an addendum?


Objection, asked and answered.

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Re: Mentioning young age in personal statement? 4.0/173

Postby Older Chest » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:38 pm

In my opinion, there is no need to mention your age in an addendum or personal statement. From what I've seen on TLS and LSN, law schools typically eschew younger candidates (probably due to perceived lack of maturity/perspective). Best case scenario with your application would be that an Add Comm does not notice your age, and the worst case would be if they do.

With your numbers, you stand a very good shot at a top program. No need to sabotage your chances with an unnecessary addendum.




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