Top Law Schools

What are my chances?

1. University of Texas Austin
2. University of Georgia
3. Southern Methodist University
4. University of Maryland
5. Emory

Also do you guys know any schools that will give me money? I know my numbers are sooooooooo incredibly low. But this is my second LSAT after over a year of studying, quite frankly I may have hit my ceiling. Even though my average PT was 163. I study and break the 160s every time but on test day I cant seem to repeat that, so I am soo depressed right now. I really want to apply early, cos I am scared at risking retaking in December for the third time and not doing so hot and then applying late and making things even worse. Any ideas? Any top school that will give me money?

Also would I be considered non traditional because I worked full time while in undergrad?

My numbers are about the same as yours. I would say check of LSN (Law School Numbers) it will give you an insight into who is getting into what schools with your numbers. I don't know much about most of the schools, but I think Emory and U of Georgia would be longshots even for a URM with your numbers.

Also, you're kinda pushing the "applying early" thing. You really should get apps in ASAP if you want to benefit from applying earlier.

And finally, non-traditional I think refers to someone who isn't coming directly from undergrad and has nothing to do with work experience. So for example it would be a 43 year old army vet.

What goes wrong on test day for you? If it's anxiety, have you tried addressing that specifically? 6 points under your average a pretty big discrepancy. 163 would put you in a much better position.

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/billyez/jd (AA Male/3.02/160)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/BeanieBean/jd AA Male/3.11/161)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/VADouble757/jd (AA Male/3.2/160)

note those are males, and I think the boost is a little stronger for males.

sophia.olive wrote:http://lawschoolnumbers.com/billyez/jd (AA Male/3.02/160)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/BeanieBean/jd AA Male/3.11/161)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/VADouble757/jd (AA Male/3.2/160)

note those are males, and I think the boost is a little stronger for males.

I think the difference between 160 and 157 is not insignificant (akin to the difference between 167 and 170 for non-URM applicants).

May I ask why you picked those specific schools?

plenipotentiary wrote:

sophia.olive wrote:http://lawschoolnumbers.com/billyez/jd (AA Male/3.02/160)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/BeanieBean/jd AA Male/3.11/161)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/VADouble757/jd (AA Male/3.2/160)

note those are males, and I think the boost is a little stronger for males.

I think the difference between 160 and 157 is not insignificant (akin to the difference between 167 and 170 for non-URM applicants).

Oh yeah, I forgot to head that with retake.

retake, sweetie


I know it sucks but keep at. Nothing is wrong with taking a year off and applying next cycle. Teach abroad, write a book, flip burgers, If you increase your score just a few points it is worth it. If you take it in june and study the bibles intensely you should be able to score pretty high. It is worth the wait.

sophia.olive wrote:retake, sweetie


I know it sucks but keep at. Nothing is wrong with taking a year off and applying next cycle. Teach abroad, write a book, flip burgers, If you increase your score just a few points it is worth it. If you take it in june and study the bibles intensely you should be able to score pretty high. It is worth the wait.

+1

Yes, listen to that absurd advice... waste a year of your life for a 2-3 point difference.

kk19131 wrote:Yes, listen to that absurd advice... waste a year of your life for a 2-3 point difference.

That year of her life could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. I'm sure that's a lot more than she's making now.

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:Yes, listen to that absurd advice... waste a year of your life for a 2-3 point difference.

That year of her life could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. I'm sure that's a lot more than she's making now.

Or, she could just go to a school that better fits her stats and come out with much less debt.

Also... "hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income"? Please.

kk19131 wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:Yes, listen to that absurd advice... waste a year of your life for a 2-3 point difference.

That year of her life could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. I'm sure that's a lot more than she's making now.

Or, she could just go to a school that better fits her stats and come out with much less debt.

Also... "hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income"? Please.

A higher score would also mean more scholarship money at a lower-ranked school.

Anyway, do you think she's equally likely to start at $160k out of SMU as UVA? Do the math. Why should she shortchange herself?

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:Yes, listen to that absurd advice... waste a year of your life for a 2-3 point difference.

That year of her life could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income. I'm sure that's a lot more than she's making now.

Or, she could just go to a school that better fits her stats and come out with much less debt.

Also... "hundreds of thousands of dollars in future income"? Please.

A higher score would also mean more scholarship money at a lower-ranked school.

Anyway, do you think she's equally likely to start at $160k out of SMU as UVA? Do the math. Why should she shortchange herself?

I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

There's no guarantee that she'd be at the top of her class at a lower ranked school. The Howard comment is totally fucked up. You need to check yourself.

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

OP please ignore bullshit posts like this and try to get up to a 162 or so. Your opportunities coming from UVA will be much better than from a Howard etc. level school.

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

There's no guarantee that she'd be at the top of her class at a lower ranked school. The Howard comment is totally fucked up. You need to check yourself.

There's no guarantee... but it's far more likely.

LSAT scores correlate with how well people do in law school. The facts are the facts.

And, the Howard comment is not fucked up... it's the truth.

I'm a Black man. So, you are the one who needs to check yourself, my dear.

BruceWayne wrote:

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

OP please ignore bullshit posts like this and try to get up to a 162 or so. Your opportunities coming from UVA will be much better than from a Howard etc. level school.

Nonsense.

kk19131 wrote: I'm a Black man. So, you are the one who needs to check yourself, my dear.

Hooray! PDaddy was getting old.

kk19131 wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

There's no guarantee that she'd be at the top of her class at a lower ranked school. The Howard comment is totally fucked up. You need to check yourself.

There's no guarantee... but it's far more likely.

LSAT scores correlate with how well people do in law school. The facts are the facts.

And, the Howard comment is not fucked up... it's the truth.

I'm a Black man. So, you are the one who needs to check yourself, my dear.

My understanding is that LSAT score + GPA account for about 20% of the variation in 1L grades. Also, check any employment thread -- firms are interested in URMs, too.

Black men aren't immune to internalized racism.

kk19131 wrote:LSAT scores correlate with how well people do in law school. The facts are the facts.

Lol. You do realize that it's not a particularly impressive correlation, right?

kk19131 wrote:LSAT scores correlate with how well people do in law school. The facts are the facts.

In your own words, I'd call that nothing short of

kk19131 wrote:Nonsense

kk19131 wrote:I'm a Black man. So, you are the one who needs to check yourself, my dear.

And I'm a black woman who disagrees with you. What is your point? Just because you're black doesn't give you more of a right to speak of Howard than a man or woman a shade lighter than you.

That said, where is your proof that one's LSAT score determines how well one does in law school? Bring your facts to the table.

Funny thing is law school has NOTHING to do with the practice itself. This especially holds true for those working in BIGLAW where you seldom put to use the skills acquired as a 1L.

Anyway, OP, good luck to you whatever you decide. However, I agree with sophie.olive and others who advise you retake.

plenipotentiary wrote:Black men aren't immune to internalized racism.

Amen.

kk19131 wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:

kk19131 wrote:I think she is more likely to be at the bottom of the UVA graduating class and be nearly shut out from $160k salaries anyway.

If anything, she should go to a place like Howard

There's no guarantee that she'd be at the top of her class at a lower ranked school. The Howard comment is totally fucked up. You need to check yourself.

LSAT scores correlate with how well people do in law school. The facts are the facts.

LOL... this is false, 0Ls ignore this.

I really hope this guy is PDaddy v2 in the making.