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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Veyron » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:00 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Veyron wrote:HeavenWood wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Hello, welcome to CORNELL, where we train LAWYERS IN THE BEST SENSE!


And what's wrong with Cornell?


I see you are attending a "Tier 1 Public." Is Ithaca gorges this time of year?

It's prettier than Penn.


Ah, but I wore a short sleeved shirt today! I'm also employable.


So are Cornell grads. Get over yourself.[/quote]

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Bildungsroman » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:00 pm

You're terrible at quoting.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:03 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:Where is your engineering degree from? No reasonable person would trade a good engineering job for the lottery which is legal employment, unless the school is not well regarded in engineering.

With that GPA, you need a retake. Get above a 170, and everything except HYS and CCN is converging on a lock. Do it.


+1.

3.95 engineering + 170 is a non-trivial shot at SLS. Don't waste it.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby HeavenWood » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:03 pm

Veyron wrote:
Ah, but I wore a short sleeved shirt today! (I'm also marginally more employable).


That I can agree with.
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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:04 pm

Veyron wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
Veyron wrote:Hello, welcome to CORNELL, where we train LAWYERS IN THE BEST SENSE!


And what's wrong with Cornell?


I see you are attending a "Tier 1 Public." Is Ithaca gorges this time of year?

It's prettier than Penn.


Ah, but I wore a short sleeved shirt today! (I'm also marginally more employable).[/quote]

LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Veyron » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:05 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:You're terrible at quoting.


You're terrible at life. Also at Backgammon.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby HeavenWood » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:06 pm

rayiner wrote:LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.


T3-or-bust. Nice. Too bad you attend NorthWesTTTern.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Veyron » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:10 pm

[/quote]

LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.[/quote]

Dood, you're full of shit, I have it on very good authority that Penn's valedictorian managed to snag a job as a paralegal at Cravath last year.

In contrast, Cornell's was a coffee boy at Strook and NU's had his career destroyed by the SBA before he could start at Ronald and McDonald.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:13 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
rayiner wrote:LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.


T3-or-bust. Nice. Too bad you attend NorthWesTTTern.


Dude. It's the peeps at TTT's who know it's HYS or bust more so than the peeps at HYS. HYS folks are all like: "CCNMVPBDNCG grads must get jobs right? I mean, someone has to work for V25-100!" They have no idea what it's like to have to keep it real.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby HeavenWood » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:14 pm

Veyron wrote:Dood, you're full of shit, I have it on very good authority that Penn's valedictorian managed to snag a job as a paralegal at Cravath last year.

In contrast, Cornell's was a coffee boy at Strook and NU's had his career destroyed by the SBA before he could start at Ronald and McDonald.


Penn's valedictorian probably didn't screw up OCI with his shitty interpersonal skills.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby HeavenWood » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:15 pm

rayiner wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
rayiner wrote:LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.


T3-or-bust. Nice. Too bad you attend NorthWesTTTern.


Dude. It's the peeps at TTT's who know it's HYS or bust more so than the peeps at HYS. HYS folks are all like: "CCNMVPBDNCG grads must get jobs right? I mean, someone has to work for V25-100!" They have no idea what it's like to have to keep it real.


I'm not knocking Northwestern. Hell, I'll probably be choosing between a T20 at sticker and a low T1/high T2 on scholly. I just find all this elitism quite amusing, if not ridiculously pessimistic.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby bk1 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:18 pm

HeavenWood wrote:I just find all this elitism quite amusing, if not ridiculously pessimistic.


Realism is fun!

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:19 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
rayiner wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
rayiner wrote:LOL @ non-HYS grads being "employable."

Some might luck into jobs, yeah, if that's what you mean.


T3-or-bust. Nice. Too bad you attend NorthWesTTTern.


Dude. It's the peeps at TTT's who know it's HYS or bust more so than the peeps at HYS. HYS folks are all like: "CCNMVPBDNCG grads must get jobs right? I mean, someone has to work for V25-100!" They have no idea what it's like to have to keep it real.


I'm not knocking Northwestern. Hell, I'll probably be choosing between a T20 at sticker and a low T1/high T2 on scholly. I just find all this elitism quite amusing, if not ridiculously pessimistic.


What elitism? Just telling it like it is. There are no jobs and what few there are are taken by the swarm of 1000 HYS grads that get pumped out every year. It's madness.

Employable = HYS. After that it's various degrees of getting lucky.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby HeavenWood » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:20 pm

bk1 wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:I just find all this elitism quite amusing, if not ridiculously pessimistic.


Realism is fun!


Realism is accepting that those outside the T14 will have a harder shot at landing a job. Insanity is asserting that those outside HYS get jobs "by accident."

A friend of mine just got a Philly midlaw job out of Temple. He was no superstar. He graduated in the top quarter. He also had no connections.

If a Temple grad can get a decent job ITE, all hope is not lost for those lowly non HYS-ers.
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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Veyron » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:21 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
bk1 wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:I just find all this elitism quite amusing, if not ridiculously pessimistic.


Realism is fun!


Realism is accepting that those outside the T14 will have a harder shot at landing a job. Insanity is asserting that those outside HYS get jobs "by accident."


REALITY is something in between "realism" and "insanity."

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby r6_philly » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:03 pm

rayiner wrote:
What elitism? Just telling it like it is. There are no jobs and what few there are are taken by the swarm of 1000 HYS grads that get pumped out every year. It's madness.

Employable = HYS. After that it's various degrees of getting lucky.



Kids at Columbia are screaming and pulling their hair out right now.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby bk1 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:04 pm

r6_philly wrote:Kids at Columbia are screaming and pulling their hair out right now.


Just like always. :P

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby nematoad » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:11 pm

rayiner wrote:[

Employable = HYS. After that it's various degrees of getting lucky.


even as an engineer? those mothers are (relatively) killing it from what i hear. i know a few below median 2Ls at ucla/usc who have pretty sweet gigs lined up. From what it looks like engineers are not going to be exposed to same hardships as the rest.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby im_blue » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:15 pm

nematoad wrote:
rayiner wrote:[

Employable = HYS. After that it's various degrees of getting lucky.


even as an engineer? those mothers are (relatively) killing it from what i hear. i know a few below median 2Ls at ucla/usc who have pretty sweet gigs lined up. From what it looks like engineers are not going to be exposed to same hardships as the rest.

It depends on the prestige of your engineering degree, though. An engineer from a "small state college" will still get a boost, but not a huge one ITE.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:04 pm

thexfactor wrote:check out vandy. You will prob get in. You will get into WUSTL with scholarship.


You will probably not get into Vandy. You will get WL. They didn't accept below 167 this year, regardless of GPA, and the median went up to 169.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby im_blue » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:48 pm

rad law wrote:
thexfactor wrote:check out vandy. You will prob get in. You will get into WUSTL with scholarship.


You will probably not get into Vandy. You will get WL. They didn't accept below 167 this year, regardless of GPA, and the median went up to 169.

Sometimes I wonder about LSN data. Vandy has a 25th percentile of 165, so they had to accept plenty of sub-167 non-URMs. Likewise, Stanford's median is 170 but you see almost no sub-170 admits on LSN.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby r6_philly » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:55 pm

im_blue wrote:
rad law wrote:
thexfactor wrote:check out vandy. You will prob get in. You will get into WUSTL with scholarship.


You will probably not get into Vandy. You will get WL. They didn't accept below 167 this year, regardless of GPA, and the median went up to 169.

Sometimes I wonder about LSN data. Vandy has a 25th percentile of 165, so they had to accept plenty of sub-167 non-URMs. Likewise, Stanford's median is 170 but you see almost no sub-170 admits on LSN.


That's because median is not mean.

Stanford could accept 51% 170, and 49% 171 or more, its median would be 170.

Vandy could accept 26% at 165 or below, very few 166, and only 167+ for the rest.

You don't know the distribution of the population, so you can't make such predictions based on median/25/75 numbers because they could be trimodal by design at 25/50/75.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby im_blue » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:00 pm

r6_philly wrote:
im_blue wrote:
rad law wrote:
thexfactor wrote:check out vandy. You will prob get in. You will get into WUSTL with scholarship.


You will probably not get into Vandy. You will get WL. They didn't accept below 167 this year, regardless of GPA, and the median went up to 169.

Sometimes I wonder about LSN data. Vandy has a 25th percentile of 165, so they had to accept plenty of sub-167 non-URMs. Likewise, Stanford's median is 170 but you see almost no sub-170 admits on LSN.


That's because median is not mean.

Stanford could accept 51% 170, and 49% 171 or more, its median would be 170.

Vandy could accept 26% at 165 or below, very few 166, and only 167+ for the rest.

You don't know the distribution of the population, so you can't make such predictions based on median/25/75 numbers because they could be trimodal by design at 25/50/75.

While it's true that your hypothetical distributions meet the median, practically speaking with Vandy's 25/50/75 at 165-169-170 it's almost a certainty that only slightly more than 50% of the class has a 169+, with the rest at 168-. If Vandy had that many 168-169's to spare, they would have sacrificed them to bump up their median GPA.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby r6_philly » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:05 pm

im_blue wrote:While it's true that your hypothetical distributions meet the median, practically speaking with Vandy's 25/50/75 at 165-169-170 it's almost a certainty that only slightly more than 50% of the class has a 169+, with the rest at 168-. If Vandy had that many 168-169's to spare, they would have sacrificed them to bump up their median GPA.


NO. The only thing you can infer is that 25% of the class is at 165 or below. You can't infer anything about the people between 26% and 49% without knowing distribution. They are anywhere between 166 and 169, but could ALL be 169.

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Re: 3.95/166 Engineering Major

Postby r6_philly » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:06 pm

This would fit the bill

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