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EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:53 pm
by ballents
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Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:57 pm
by bk1
Just wait to hit submit until you actually get your LSAT score.

If you want to work in the northeast, don't limit yourself to schools in the northeast. A lower 170's and you have a chance at the lower T14 (MVP), high 170's and you can maybe have a shot at CCN with an ED.

Your college doesn't matter and raising your GPA that much won't matter.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:00 pm
by lawschoollll
ballents wrote:So I know no one likes to do this but here we go. I want to apply to a school in the northeast and I have a 3.28 from swarthmore (don't know exactly how much this helps) but I'm taking the October LSAT and have to send in my ED application before I get my score back. Right now I'm averaging a 176, but I know how little this means as I was averaging a 176 before the June test and I canceled. My PTs are pretty consistent but I wouldn't be shocked by anything between a 172 and 179.

For what it's worth I have pretty average softs. What is the best school I can get into in the northeast and where do you think I should ED?

Also, I still have a couple classes that I'm finishing up this year and could theoretically raise my GPA to a 3.35ish. Would it make any difference to apply next year with this slightly better gpa?

Thanks for any replies that aren't "come back when you have your real LSAT score."


Q: How much do you regret going to Swarthmore knowing now that UG doesn't matter? (Disclosure: I ask this as someone who went to an elite LAC myself, who wishes he had gone to BIG STATE U for free and gotten a 4.0).

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:06 pm
by 09042014
It think Penn would take you ED with a 171+. Maybe even a 170. NYU might take you, but you are going to need a higher LSAT. 172 would be the bare minimum to have any shot, I don't think you have a halfway decent shot until 175.

Columbia is probably a ding no matter what. Maybe they'll like your ugrad, so it's worth an app, but I'm not sure if I'd waste an ED app on it.

You absolutely do not need to apply ED before your LSAT score comes back. The deadlines are set to allow Oct LSATers to still apply.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:16 pm
by ballents
Yeah, it hurts to say that I made a mistake by attending the college that I did, but, yes, it was almost definitely a mistake.

Thanks for the info about EDing, I was definitely confused about that and am relieved to hear I don't have to guess an LSAT score. Also, NYU is definitely my top choice. When you say a "halfway decent shot," is that a good enough shot to use my ED on if it's somewhere I really want to go? I'm kind of worried about wasting my ED and being left out of all the schools I want to go to--it seems splitter cycles can leave you out in the cold.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:19 pm
by bk1
ballents wrote:Yeah, it hurts to say that I made a mistake by attending the college that I did, but, yes, it was almost definitely a mistake.

Thanks for the info about EDing, I was definitely confused about that and am relieved to hear I don't have to guess an LSAT score. Also, NYU is definitely my top choice. When you say a "halfway decent shot," is that a good enough shot to use my ED on if it's somewhere I really want to go? I'm kind of worried about wasting my ED and being left out of all the schools I want to go to--it seems splitter cycles can leave you out in the cold.


It is a definite possibility but with a 170+ I am fairly sure at least one of the lower T14 will bit. The way I see it is that you are choosing between picking which lower T14 you want or instead getting a random T14 with a better shot at a T6.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:24 pm
by ballents
bk1 wrote:
ballents wrote:Yeah, it hurts to say that I made a mistake by attending the college that I did, but, yes, it was almost definitely a mistake.

Thanks for the info about EDing, I was definitely confused about that and am relieved to hear I don't have to guess an LSAT score. Also, NYU is definitely my top choice. When you say a "halfway decent shot," is that a good enough shot to use my ED on if it's somewhere I really want to go? I'm kind of worried about wasting my ED and being left out of all the schools I want to go to--it seems splitter cycles can leave you out in the cold.


It is a definite possibility but with a 170+ I am fairly sure at least one of the lower T14 will bit. The way I see it is that you are choosing between picking which lower T14 you want or instead getting a random T14 with a better shot at a T6.




Ok, thanks. When you put it that way it seems like a pretty obvious choice.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:26 pm
by bk1
ballents wrote:Ok, thanks. When you put it that way it seems like a pretty obvious choice.


Agreed, but it doesn't make it any less agonizing. :)

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:26 pm
by 09042014
ballents wrote:Yeah, it hurts to say that I made a mistake by attending the college that I did, but, yes, it was almost definitely a mistake.

Thanks for the info about EDing, I was definitely confused about that and am relieved to hear I don't have to guess an LSAT score. Also, NYU is definitely my top choice. When you say a "halfway decent shot," is that a good enough shot to use my ED on if it's somewhere I really want to go? I'm kind of worried about wasting my ED and being left out of all the schools I want to go to--it seems splitter cycles can leave you out in the cold.


If I were you I'd ED to NYU, I think they'll take you if you ED. And they might not if you don't ED. In which case you might be attending Cornell or worse Gulc.

I wouldn't regret Swarthmore. It's great for your resume, and it won't hurt you that bad. You'd need 3.8 at a good public school to get YHS, and probably 3.9 from a shit public. And to be honest a median Swarthmore grad like you, probably won't get 3.8 at a good public, or 3.9 at a shit public.

So if you get NYU, it won't really have cost you anything, other than tuition. Hopefully you didn't go into debt.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:29 pm
by im_blue
ballents wrote:I have a 3.28 from swarthmore


Desert Fox wrote:And to be honest a median Swarthmore grad like you, probably won't get 3.8 at a good public, or 3.9 at a shit public.

Swarthmore's average GPA is a 3.53 (higher than many Ivies), so OP's GPA is significantly below median.

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Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:34 pm
by CanadianWolf
Why did you cancel your June test ?

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:32 pm
by ballents
CanadianWolf wrote:Why did you cancel your June test ?


I had a problem with a logic game. I think I misunderstood the language but it left me flustered and unable to complete the section in time. I actually felt pretty good about the test other than that but figured I'd be better off giving it another try as that was one of my worst performances.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:52 pm
by ballents
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Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:58 pm
by im_blue
ballents wrote:
im_blue wrote:
ballents wrote:I have a 3.28 from swarthmore


Desert Fox wrote:And to be honest a median Swarthmore grad like you, probably won't get 3.8 at a good public, or 3.9 at a shit public.

Swarthmore's average GPA is a 3.53 (higher than many Ivies), so OP's GPA is significantly below median.

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Ok, so this is a little weird but I went to Reed not Swarthmore. I just said swarthmore because they seemed like roughly equivalent and I wasn't sure many of you guys would know Reed--it seems like we get a lot of respect from other colleges and universities but we aren't that widely known. However, Reed and Swarthmore don't seem as similar as I thought. Swarthmore is more highly ranked and probably more respected but Reed has no grade inflation at all; our average gpa is a 3.14.

I've also seen people freaking out about anonymity, but now that I think about it I can't imagine what the harm of someone figuring out my identity is. Now I just feel weird about lying seemingly for no reason but I figure good advice is more important than awkward internet exchanges.

Sorry about that. If this changes anything (besides making me look weird) let me know.

Yeah, that definitely changes things. Reed is well-known in academic circles for its grade deflation (in fact I almost commented how Swarthmore is no Reed when it comes to low GPAs), so I would definitely write an addendum describing how you're actually above the median GPA there. Better yet, try to get your class rank or percentile from the dean's office and mention that as well.

I think Reed has the third highest percentage of graduates going to PhD programs, up there with Caltech, MIT, and Chicago, so grade inflation doesn't seem to be a detriment in that regard. Unfortunately for you, law school admissions is a completely different story.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:19 pm
by lawschoollll
ballents wrote:
im_blue wrote:
ballents wrote:I have a 3.28 from swarthmore


Desert Fox wrote:And to be honest a median Swarthmore grad like you, probably won't get 3.8 at a good public, or 3.9 at a shit public.

Swarthmore's average GPA is a 3.53 (higher than many Ivies), so OP's GPA is significantly below median.

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Ok, so this is a little weird but I went to Reed not Swarthmore. I just said swarthmore because they seemed like roughly equivalent and I wasn't sure many of you guys would know Reed--it seems like we get a lot of respect from other colleges and universities but we aren't that widely known. However, Reed and Swarthmore don't seem as similar as I thought. Swarthmore is more highly ranked and probably more respected but Reed has no grade inflation at all; our average gpa is a 3.14.

I've also seen people freaking out about anonymity, but now that I think about it I can't imagine what the harm of someone figuring out my identity is. Now I just feel weird about lying seemingly for no reason but I figure good advice is more important than awkward internet exchanges.

Sorry about that. If this changes anything (besides making me look weird) let me know.

Swat is harder to get into than most Ivies.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:34 pm
by IAFG
jesus what is it with Reed alums being self-important

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:29 am
by ballents
IAFG wrote:jesus what is it with Reed alums being self-important



My bad, I really didn't mean to be annoying about this. I know Swarthmore is more selective than Reed and probably a better school. Wasn't trying to be a tool. No real explanation for hiding my real undergrad. I'm honestly a little confused about why I did. I'll I can say is that it seemed like a good idea at the time--I just don't know why.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:10 am
by KevinP
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Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:26 pm
by 09042014
IAFG wrote:jesus what is it with Reed alums being self-important


If you paid 41,000 dollars a year for a Poli Sci degree from a school nobody heard of, then got beat in admissions by Iowa State grads, you'd be pissed.

Re: EDing without an LSAT

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:32 pm
by dissonance1848
Whoever said a 3.28 vs. a 3.35 is no difference has no idea what they are talking about. OP, a difference of .07 GPA is worth about 1 LSAT point in the mid to high 170s. Take it. It means quite a bit. Also, prep more if you think it will raise your score. By applying next year, you could tack on a few more LSAT points (with higher GPA too).