Chance me?

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How will my cycle go at Penn?

Admit
9
36%
Waitlist
13
52%
Reject
3
12%
 
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vsl89
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Chance me?

Postby vsl89 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:49 pm

I'm wondering what people make of my chances at Penn RD -- initially, it wasn't a school that I was much interested in, but lately, the more I read about it, the more seriously I consider attending. I am even considering ED, but would MUCH prefer not to as finances are a semi-concern, and so I would like to know what people make of chances RD. Numbers -- 169 (1st take), 4.0, straight from UG, should go complete by last week of September or first week of October. Writing 2/3 supplemental essays. Decent softs.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby 2014 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:13 pm

I think Waitlist --> Admit.
Make sure your application is strong.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:16 pm

well the 4.0 from a good school will put you over the edge and in for sure, but if its a relatively bad school then you're right on the edge and looking at waitlist---> in or waitlist---> oops!

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Cupidity » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:20 pm

I agree with the likely verdict of WL with the possibility of admit. I would caution against ED. Penn is pricey, and your numbers will likely snag you one or two full ride offers in the the T30, which are probably better options.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:33 pm

WTF? OP is 4/169. I think he is very likely to get admitted to Penn. If he EDs, he's in.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:34 pm

Quality of school doesn't matter much, just like majors.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Patriot1208 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:37 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:WTF? OP is 4/169. I think he is very likely to get admitted to Penn. If he EDs, he's in.

Dude, you don't like LSN huh? He's most likely to be waitlisted.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:40 pm

If you look at LSN for 09-10, Penn waitlisted the shit out of people everywhere, folks with GPAs and LSATS that should have been admit, and no, it can't all have been yield protection.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby 2ofspades » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:46 pm

I think you will get WLed at Penn RD but admitted ED. Regarding money, Penn has not traditionally been generous to 169 / ~4.0, and I would not expect an award in the event that you are admitted RD. If you're sure Penn's your top choice, ED is worth the admissions boost for your numbers.

Why are you attracted to Penn in particular? And what other schools are you considering?

Cupidity wrote:Penn is pricey, and your numbers will likely snag you one or two full ride offers in the the T30, which are probably better options.

Penn's placement is enough of an improvement over T30 to merit the debt. In the event OP does not take a high-paying job, OP has IBR and LRAP (though I believe Penn's LRAP is restricted to public interest work and does not cover low-salaried alumni in the private sector).

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Patriot1208 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:51 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:If you look at LSN for 09-10, Penn waitlisted the shit out of people everywhere, folks with GPAs and LSATS that should have been admit, and no, it can't all have been yield protection.

So this proves my point then?

You said he'll almost undoubtedly be admitted, I said, a long with others, that a waitlist is most likely. Therefore, you helped my point, not yours. OP could get in off the waitlist, but a waitlist is a waitlist.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby 2ofspades » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:52 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:WTF? OP is 4/169. I think he is very likely to get admitted to Penn. If he EDs, he's in.

Dude, you don't like LSN huh? He's most likely to be waitlisted.

Search for ED applicants on LSN. Four out of four 168-169s the past two years who were above the GPA median and who EDed got in.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby r6_philly » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:53 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:If you look at LSN for 09-10, Penn waitlisted the shit out of people everywhere, folks with GPAs and LSATS that should have been admit, and no, it can't all have been yield protection.


Since I kept an watchful eye on Penn last cycle, this isn't true until March. If you filter by decision date, you will see that 169/3.9+ had a much better shot than what you see now if you get decision before 2/1.

This is a shortcoming of the LSN graph - lack of timing indication.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Grizz » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:55 pm

2ofspades wrote:
Cupidity wrote:Penn is pricey, and your numbers will likely snag you one or two full ride offers in the the T30, which are probably better options.

Penn's placement is enough of an improvement over T30 to merit the debt. In the event OP does not take a high-paying job, OP has IBR and LRAP (though I believe Penn's LRAP is restricted to public interest work and does not cover low-salaried alumni in the private sector).


Depends which T30 and what region you're targeting.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Patriot1208 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:55 pm

2ofspades wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:WTF? OP is 4/169. I think he is very likely to get admitted to Penn. If he EDs, he's in.

Dude, you don't like LSN huh? He's most likely to be waitlisted.

Search for ED applicants on LSN. Four out of four 168-169s the past two years who were above the GPA median and who EDed got in.


I wasn't clear, I was specifically referring to OP getting in RD.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby 2ofspades » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:58 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
2ofspades wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:WTF? OP is 4/169. I think he is very likely to get admitted to Penn. If he EDs, he's in.

Dude, you don't like LSN huh? He's most likely to be waitlisted.

Search for ED applicants on LSN. Four out of four 168-169s the past two years who were above the GPA median and who EDed got in.


I wasn't clear, I was specifically referring to OP getting in RD.

Excellent, we agree then. RD --> WL. ED --> in.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:04 pm

Agreed with collective wisdom and aggregate data above. Was just a bit suprised that OP would be so WL with those numbers, but I guess it is so.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby 2ofspades » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:14 pm

rad law wrote:
2ofspades wrote:
Cupidity wrote:Penn is pricey, and your numbers will likely snag you one or two full ride offers in the the T30, which are probably better options.

Penn's placement is enough of an improvement over T30 to merit the debt. In the event OP does not take a high-paying job, OP has IBR and LRAP (though I believe Penn's LRAP is restricted to public interest work and does not cover low-salaried alumni in the private sector).


Depends which T30 and what region you're targeting.

I guess, yes, that's a valid point. I think mine is credited in general, but we need OP's goals to say one way another for OP. I'd still love to know why Penn, though, because I think OP has a much better shot at $$ from MVDC.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Grizz » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:16 pm

2ofspades wrote:I'd still love to know why Penn, though, because I think OP has a much better shot at $$ from MVDC.


Same.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby vsl89 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:58 pm

Sorry for not replying -- was busy quite a bit the last day. I am interested in clerking for 1-2 years and then trying to get into the DOJ honors program and work for a US Attorney. My biggest concern is geographic -- I'd like to go to school in NYC or Philly and work in one of these two areas as well. I will only be applying to the T-14 + Fordham just so I can have options, but geographically speaking, staying in he Northeast is a big priority.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Grizz » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:41 pm

vsl89 wrote:Sorry for not replying -- was busy quite a bit the last day. I am interested in clerking for 1-2 years and then trying to get into the DOJ honors program and work for a US Attorney. My biggest concern is geographic -- I'd like to go to school in NYC or Philly and work in one of these two areas as well. I will only be applying to the T-14 + Fordham just so I can have options, but geographically speaking, staying in he Northeast is a big priority.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but DOJ honors might end up sending you basically anywhere in the states, so this program may not be for you.

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Re: Chance me?

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:16 pm

rad law wrote:
vsl89 wrote:Sorry for not replying -- was busy quite a bit the last day. I am interested in clerking for 1-2 years and then trying to get into the DOJ honors program and work for a US Attorney. My biggest concern is geographic -- I'd like to go to school in NYC or Philly and work in one of these two areas as well. I will only be applying to the T-14 + Fordham just so I can have options, but geographically speaking, staying in he Northeast is a big priority.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but DOJ honors might end up sending you basically anywhere in the states, so this program may not be for you.


I believe you're wrong. My understanding is DOJ honors almost always sends you to DC because you end up working in one of the divisions that is headquartered in DC. Now if/when you want to become an AUSA (It is my understanding it is almost impossible to get an AUSA job directly from DOJ honors) then you have to apply seperately to the office of your choosing. For example, even if you are an AUSA in the St. Louis office, you can't just transfer, you have to reapply and interview (although this could just be a formality) for Los Angeles. The DOJ themselves don't send you around the country for AUSA positions normally.




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