GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

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GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:56 pm

Hello. Big lurker here. I am applying this fall for the Class of 2014. Hoping to get all my stuff in by late September.

What are my chances at Columbia or NYU? How would they change if I E'D to either of them? Thanks!

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:58 pm

is the 180 a retake or first try?

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby kalvano » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:01 pm

It doesn't matter.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:02 pm

kalvano wrote:It doesn't matter.

it does for some schools

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:04 pm

Cancelled first time, 180 second time.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby LLB2JD » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:08 pm

sophia.olive wrote:
kalvano wrote:It doesn't matter.

it does for some schools


Such as?

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby d34d9823 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:11 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:
kalvano wrote:It doesn't matter.

it does for some schools


Such as?

HYS only, I believe. The public statements on websites are useless, but someone did some data analysis on this on LSN awhile back I think.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:11 pm

I think you have an average shot at both.
I think ED would help, but i dont think it will make a lock at all.
I also think you should apply broadly for money at a lower school.

What are some other elements of your application, any above average softs.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:28 pm

Alas, my softs are about average. I was hoping that applying relatively early (late September) would help some at the margins. I will be applying broadly throughout the t-14 (save for HYS and B, which I know are adamant about GPA), and perhaps Vandy and UCLA.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby spondee » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:38 pm

If you went to an Ivy for undergrad, I think Columbia likes that. If you went to a good undergrad generally (but not Ivy), I think both schools will like that. Might alleviate the GPA some. Also, if you're not right out of undergrad, I think that lessens the GPA's influence in their decision a bit.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby 2ofspades » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:44 pm

I agree with spondee, but aside from UG institution and WE, if I were you and I knew I wanted either CLS or NYU, I would ED to NYU, if for no other reason than that CLS seems much more restrictive on GPAs than NYU. I think you have a significantly better shot at NYU.

Would you feel comfortable telling us what areas of law you're most interested in studying and where you hope to work after graduating?

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:46 pm

My undergrad was not Ivy, but it is a strong private research university, and yeah, I am a year out from undergrad, as I've spent the time doing battle with the LSAT. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:51 pm

Well, I am getting around to reading Chirlstein on Federal Income Taxation, to see how I feel about tax law. That's part of the reason why I am considering E'D to CLS or NYU. That said, if I find tax turns me on, I will definitely be applying E'D to NYU. Also, my understanding is that although CLS is somewhat better than NYU at the elite firms, they are similar in terms of employment stats, etc.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby legalease9 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:01 pm

If you want to go to Columbia/NYU as your first choices, Pick your favorite and ED. Your chances will be very good with your 180. You may want to consider HYS though (which ED'ing to CLS/NYU would forbid). Its a long shot with your GPA, but getting into HYS (particularly HY) is another leap and bound above CLS/NYU. But if you don't ED, you may fall into the lower T10. So you really have to consider your priorities, and what you want to do with your JD (academia makes trying for yale more important than firm work etc.).

Either way, blanket the T14 with apps.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:09 pm

I am going to blanket the T-14 with apps, but since I am mainly interested in firm work, I think it is probably more prudent to decide to E'D to either CLS or NYU ( I am leaning toward NYU, given its 23% acceptance vs. CLS 15%) than to send to HYS and see if I can make it through the breech.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:11 pm

^I think that is a better choice if you are not worried about not getting schollies.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:12 pm

I am not worried about not getting schollies.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:16 pm

NYU for the win then.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:18 pm

If the odds are substantially better E'Ding to NYU than CLS, which they would seem to be, then yes, NYU for the win.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby sophia.olive » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:25 pm

And if the interest in tax continues, i think NYU is the best?

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:28 pm

If I do find myself into tax, then yes, I will definitely E'D to NYU.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby IAFG » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:29 pm

sophia.olive wrote:And if the interest in tax continues, i think NYU is the best?

o pls it makes no difference whatsoever CLS is going to prep you for a career in tax just as well

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby 2ofspades » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:36 pm

IAFG wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:And if the interest in tax continues, i think NYU is the best?

o pls it makes no difference whatsoever CLS is going to prep you for a career in tax just as well

I think the point was that, given a discernibly better chance of admission at NYU, OP should strongly consider EDing there unless he is interested in a practice area in which CLS dominates NYU. NYU is great for tax, so EDing there is a good choice.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby acrossthelake » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:39 pm

I concur with the general sentiment to ED to NYU.

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Re: GPA: 3.22 LSAT: 180 Chances at Columbia, NYU?

Postby spondee » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:39 pm

IAFG wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:And if the interest in tax continues, i think NYU is the best?

o pls it makes no difference whatsoever CLS is going to prep you for a career in tax just as well


No. The idea that all the top schools are equally strong in all areas of law is overstated on TLS. NYU will have more tax classes and from bigger-name professors. If all else is equal, and if you're certain you want to do tax, NYU is clearly a stronger choice than CLS.




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