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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Veyron » Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:15 pm

nycsoul87 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
beef wellington wrote:
Veyron wrote:^ Ummmm, no, I think you're a bit confused there about the difficulty of admission to various schools... broham.

Also, it has been said that 171 is a magic # for GULC, I predict a str8 admit.

Which schools? Splitter cycles are extremely unpredictable so I hope nobody's taking any of this too seriously. But FWIW OP and I are basically number twins. And I was WL/in at GULC. Anyway I just picked the results from eyeballing LSN, it's more useful than LSP for splitters.


It just seemed silly when combined with the ND/WL. If the boy is a good Catholic, he'll get ND with much greater prob than MVP ED.


Not really, Sept ED to UVa + 3.0+/170+ is as close to a guaranteed acceptance that a splitter gets


Damn, I think I worried excessively about getting admitted to a T-10 then.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby drake » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:32 pm

is 3.06 considered "3.0+" or are we just talking 3.1 3.2 etc.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby 09042014 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:38 pm

drake wrote:is 3.06 considered "3.0+" or are we just talking 3.1 3.2 etc.


3.06 counts. Even 2.95 will suffice.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:15 am

pelmen74 wrote:http://penn.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
Almost half 171's at all GPA's were waitlisted. most below 3.2 were rejected.


If I do apply, it will be ED in Sept. I figure its about 50/50 under those circumstances, not really interested in Penn though, more UVA.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Lurkster » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:17 am

Desert Fox wrote:
Veyron wrote:^ Ummmm, no, I think you're a bit confused there about the difficulty of admission to various schools... broham.

Also, it has been said that 171 is a magic # for GULC, I predict a str8 admit.


His predictions are pretty on target.

Almost everyone with 170+ and 3.0+ gets Penn Ed.


Almost everyone? Really? Did my application suck badly enough for me to be in that tiny sliver of a minority, or is "almost everyone" a little bit of an exaggeration?

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:17 am

Lurkster wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Veyron wrote:^ Ummmm, no, I think you're a bit confused there about the difficulty of admission to various schools... broham.

Also, it has been said that 171 is a magic # for GULC, I predict a str8 admit.


His predictions are pretty on target.

Almost everyone with 170+ and 3.0+ gets Penn Ed.


Almost everyone? Really? Did my application suck badly enough for me to be in that tiny sliver of a minority, or is "almost everyone" a little bit of an exaggeration?


Most have. Look at LSN.

Even MC Southstar got in.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby jnorsky » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:23 am

I had the same choice and the exact same numbers. Penn ED v. UVA ED and ultimately I chose UVA, I do not know if you have visited either, but you should and see what feels right. I felt like law school at UVA would just be more enjoyable. If you apply early to either you have a decent shot of getting in.

As for Penn v. UVA, they are peer schools. Both are considered (outside of HYS) as among the cream of the crop law schools among pretty much every lawyer I know or have met. Penn is better for NYC big law, it gives you a shot at the top firms like cravath and wachtell, where uva gives you a slim chance. UVA is better for DC and does a great time placing into everything, but so does penn. If I was sure i wanted nyc biglaw, penn might be the way to go, other wise if you like uva, then apply there

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Veyron » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:17 pm

jnorsky wrote:I had the same choice and the exact same numbers. Penn ED v. UVA ED and ultimately I chose UVA, I do not know if you have visited either, but you should and see what feels right. I felt like law school at UVA would just be more enjoyable. If you apply early to either you have a decent shot of getting in.

As for Penn v. UVA, they are peer schools. Both are considered (outside of HYS) as among the cream of the crop law schools among pretty much every lawyer I know or have met. Penn is better for NYC big law, it gives you a shot at the top firms like cravath and wachtell, where uva gives you a slim chance. UVA is better for DC and does a great time placing into everything, but so does penn. If I was sure i wanted nyc biglaw, penn might be the way to go, other wise if you like uva, then apply there


Yah, the culture is definately something to consider. I visited UVA and immediately decided that there was no way in hell I would ever want to go to law school there. It was like being in high school all over again X10. I think that you either are a UVA person at heart (in which case you will love it) or you aren't. The word fratty comes to mind. You basicaly need to visit, very few people can stay neutral on UVA afterwards.

In contrast, I loved Penn. It definately had a very pre-profssional yet at the same time laidback vibe. It was nice talking to people who had a clear purpose and objectives in mind for their J.D. and many of whoom had already accomplished some very impressive things. I'm a west coast person culturaly and I definately encountered more people like me at Penn.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby drake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:41 pm

i wish penn wasnt in philly.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Veyron » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:48 pm

drake wrote:i wish penn wasnt in philly.


I mean, I guess. I didn't mind Philly so maybe I am a bit crazy and the area around Penn is definately pretty cool, feels like a little european village in parts.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:56 pm

When you say "fratty" I think of kids that were tools in high school, always got bitched out, drank piss to make 30+ "friends" and only acts tough when with at least 20 of those "friends." Do you mean this kind of fratty or like the movie fratty with visor hats and polos lol. I'm not sure which I prefer but it'd be good to know considering I'm visiting over the summer and prob won't experience it.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:00 pm

Also I heard UVA to be one of the least liberal law schools which I find very attractive. How does Penn compare to that? Hippies? Also can anyone speak of the neighborhood surrounding Penn? Safe (compared to other cities, not UVA)?

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Kurama » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:04 pm

Mike12188 wrote:Thanks everyone for the replies...but rkl, I'd like to think I have more than a 25% chance, I mean from last years cycle I feel its a 50/50 especially if I apply in Sept/Oct.

DF, all things being equal (markets I want to work in, where I want to spend 3 years of my life, etc.) is Penn that much "better" than UVA. In other words I really would like to attend UVA, I would love to live in Charlottesville, Cost of Living is low and I think its an awesome place. Living in Philly on the other hand I find very unattractive, but would Penn give me a greater chance of landing Biglaw, would it be worth it to stick out Philly for 3 years?



Penn isn't "better" at all. If you want to work in NYC I would go with Penn, if not it won't make a difference so go with UVA if you like the school better (or if you want to work in the South--UVA has a stronger rep there).

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Veyron » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:09 pm

In answer to your first poast Mike --> Both, but the culture is definitely that of the first (except you replace high school with college).

I definately know what you're talking about man, had some of the same concerns myself. Penn isn't that bad. Because of what it is (lots of cross registration with Wharton, business and biglaw (as opposed to PI) focused, it definitely seems to be conservative friendly, especially if your conservatism tends more towards the fiscal/pro civil liberties/libertarian side of things. I mean, its obviously liberal but so is every top law school.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Lurkster » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:01 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Lurkster wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:His predictions are pretty on target.

Almost everyone with 170+ and 3.0+ gets Penn Ed.


Almost everyone? Really? Did my application suck badly enough for me to be in that tiny sliver of a minority, or is "almost everyone" a little bit of an exaggeration?


Most have. Look at LSN.



Even MC Southstar got in.


I have looked obsessively at LSN this cycle, and know that the lowest GPA that Penn accepted outright was a 3.19, and that person happens to be URM. Based on this year, it looks like good chances for Penn ED start with a 3.4/171 or 3.5/170. 3.0-3.1 may fly at UVA and NU ED, but not Penn.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby beef wellington » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:22 pm

Lurkster wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Lurkster wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:His predictions are pretty on target.

Almost everyone with 170+ and 3.0+ gets Penn Ed.


Almost everyone? Really? Did my application suck badly enough for me to be in that tiny sliver of a minority, or is "almost everyone" a little bit of an exaggeration?


Most have. Look at LSN.



Even MC Southstar got in.


I have looked obsessively at LSN this cycle, and know that the lowest GPA that Penn accepted outright was a 3.19, and that person happens to be URM. Based on this year, it looks like good chances for Penn ED start with a 3.4/171 or 3.5/170. 3.0-3.1 may fly at UVA and NU ED, but not Penn.

Not sure what you're basing this on. There's a 171/2.98 that was WL'ed, and a 173/3.48 that was rejected, which is a weird outlier. Every other 170+ ED was in, including a 171/3.21 and a 171/3.16 who's taken his profile down.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Lurkster » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:25 pm

beef wellington wrote:
Lurkster wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Lurkster wrote:
Almost everyone? Really? Did my application suck badly enough for me to be in that tiny sliver of a minority, or is "almost everyone" a little bit of an exaggeration?


Most have. Look at LSN.



Even MC Southstar got in.


I have looked obsessively at LSN this cycle, and know that the lowest GPA that Penn accepted outright was a 3.19, and that person happens to be URM. Based on this year, it looks like good chances for Penn ED start with a 3.4/171 or 3.5/170. 3.0-3.1 may fly at UVA and NU ED, but not Penn.

Not sure what you're basing this on. There's a 171/2.98 that was WL'ed, and a 173/3.48 that was rejected, which is a weird outlier. Every other 170+ ED was in, including a 171/3.21 and a 171/3.16 who's taken his profile down.


I never saw the 3.16/171. I do remember the 3.2/171 (shadowfrost). I am basing what I'm saying off of what was in the Penn ED thread, where I saw more than a few 170-171ers hung out to dry, held, and WL'd.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby RVP11 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:20 pm

I'd rather be at Penn for DC BigLaw, and I'd rather be at UVA for NYC BigLaw.

It's counterintuitive, but picking against your school's home market, to an extent, is an effective strategy.

It's telling that most of the "OMG if you want NYC go to Penn, if you want Chicago go to Michigan, and if you want DC go to UVA!!!11!" talk comes from 0Ls.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Veyron » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:30 pm

RVP11 wrote:I'd rather be at Penn for DC BigLaw, and I'd rather be at UVA for NYC BigLaw.

It's counterintuitive, but picking against your school's home market, to an extent, is an effective strategy.

It's telling that most of the "OMG if you want NYC go to Penn, if you want Chicago go to Michigan, and if you want DC go to UVA!!!11!" talk comes from 0Ls.


Do firms realy value school diversity this much? If so, why is having a good sample of students from a wide array of top schools important to them?

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby beef wellington » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:39 pm

Lurkster wrote:I never saw the 3.16/171. I do remember the 3.2/171 (shadowfrost). I am basing what I'm saying off of what was in the Penn ED thread, where I saw more than a few 170-171ers hung out to dry, held, and WL'd.

Hmm, that's who I was thinking of too, I might have messed up his numbers. Anyway, I didn't follow the Penn thread so I'll take your word for it.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:01 pm

For those of you who applied ED to Penn how long did their response take? I don't want to screw up my chances at UVA ED if it takes Penn a while to waitlist, or reject me

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby RVP11 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:08 pm

Veyron wrote:
RVP11 wrote:I'd rather be at Penn for DC BigLaw, and I'd rather be at UVA for NYC BigLaw.

It's counterintuitive, but picking against your school's home market, to an extent, is an effective strategy.

It's telling that most of the "OMG if you want NYC go to Penn, if you want Chicago go to Michigan, and if you want DC go to UVA!!!11!" talk comes from 0Ls.


Do firms realy value school diversity this much? If so, why is having a good sample of students from a wide array of top schools important to them?


They value having diversity - that explains some of it. But with UVA/DC, or Penn/NYC, it probably has a lot more with the fact that the number of people gunning for the school's major market is out of proportion with the interview slots.

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:16 pm

RVP11 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
RVP11 wrote:I'd rather be at Penn for DC BigLaw, and I'd rather be at UVA for NYC BigLaw.

It's counterintuitive, but picking against your school's home market, to an extent, is an effective strategy.

It's telling that most of the "OMG if you want NYC go to Penn, if you want Chicago go to Michigan, and if you want DC go to UVA!!!11!" talk comes from 0Ls.


Do firms realy value school diversity this much? If so, why is having a good sample of students from a wide array of top schools important to them?


They value having diversity - that explains some of it. But with UVA/DC, or Penn/NYC, it probably has a lot more with the fact that the number of people gunning for the school's major market is out of proportion with the interview slots.


Do all the DC firms even OCI at Penn?

I know last year for example the big chicago firms only went to Uch/NU/Mich/HLS

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Re: 171/3.28

Postby RVP11 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:20 pm

That's the tough thing to balance. Virtually every DC firm goes to UVA, while a lot of NYC firms don't. Vice versa for Penn. I would be pretty surprised if all/most of the major players in DC weren't going to Penn, though.

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Re: 171/3.24 - ED UVA in September of December

Postby Mike12188 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:15 pm

To the top....

New Question: I would like to hear back from a few schools before I lock in an ED to UVA. Should I RD in September than send in my ED form after I hear back from some schools, or should I just ED in Sept. and pray for an acceptance b/c I'm on the border anyway?

2nd question: If I apply RD and am waitlisted can I then send in an ED form?




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