3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby im_blue » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:29 pm

dukelawguy144 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
adammac17 wrote:yea.......i was kinda taken back at that statement lol id love to attend Duke, itll probably be one of my reaches but i dont really think i stand a chance at $.....im below 25% on gpa and around the median on lsat. are you speaking from experience?


Even if he is speaking from experience, the odds of an acceptance with money there are small. Your number combo is a wall of yellow on LSN. Duke was my only reject, and I had a 168/3.76. I would have expected at least a WL, especially since the rest of my app was solid. :(


Sorry, I thought OP was a URM.

Yea you may have a shot at Duke. I was a 169 and 3.8, so I was in thier range. I know someone (URM) who got in with a 167 and 3.46 with some scholarship.

LOL a 3.8x is near their 75th percentile, while OP's 3.42 is well below the 25th percentile. Huge huge difference there. OP is a long shot to get in at sticker, let alone with money.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby 2011Law » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:59 pm

anniesaysrelax wrote:
jks289 wrote:
adammac17 wrote:thanks for your post! :D were the first three scholarships only a one time thing? not yearly? and congrats on cornell!!!!

not trying to pry too much but are you funding it through outside scholarships/grants or personal funds?


No all were yearly. I just didn't want to do the math for 24x3 (it's 72K).

I'm funding most of school through personal means. The remainder I'll take it Stafford loans. I would still have been willing to take out the full loans at sticker. You're a splitter, which means you'll have to dip to get money. I have heard USC is generous to pull the higher LSATs, but I didn't apply. Good luck.



USC, and all the California schools really, are pretty strict about GPA. I wouldn't count on getting much from them, if anything.


Mind if I ask where you heard this? From Florida here and have very similar numbers to OP, and USC is one of my top hopes. I'm actually not too adverse to debt, but am wondering if OP's stats should get him into USC, being below 25% in terms of GPA, but above 75% in terms of LSAT.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby anniesaysrelax » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:12 pm

2011Law wrote:
anniesaysrelax wrote:
jks289 wrote:
adammac17 wrote:thanks for your post! :D were the first three scholarships only a one time thing? not yearly? and congrats on cornell!!!!

not trying to pry too much but are you funding it through outside scholarships/grants or personal funds?


No all were yearly. I just didn't want to do the math for 24x3 (it's 72K).

I'm funding most of school through personal means. The remainder I'll take it Stafford loans. I would still have been willing to take out the full loans at sticker. You're a splitter, which means you'll have to dip to get money. I have heard USC is generous to pull the higher LSATs, but I didn't apply. Good luck.



USC, and all the California schools really, are pretty strict about GPA. I wouldn't count on getting much from them, if anything.


Mind if I ask where you heard this? From Florida here and have very similar numbers to OP, and USC is one of my top hopes. I'm actually not too adverse to debt, but am wondering if OP's stats should get him into USC, being below 25% in terms of GPA, but above 75% in terms of LSAT.


If you look at the graphs on LSN it gets pretty bleak around the 3.6 mark, even at higher LSATs. This is coming from experience this cycle. I was in early and with $$ with a 167/3.74, but I watched as people with similar and higher LSATS but GPAs anywhere from 3.5 and down get WLed left and right, if not rejected. If you follow the CA schools its a pretty universal trend that they are more GPA focused.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby romothesavior » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:15 pm

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RE: Useful tool for applications

You probably are all familiar with Law School Predictor, but Law School Numbers is far superior, especially for higher ranked schools with more applicants. Please refer to this resource:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby wesleyan11 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:33 pm

couple of things- to amend my earlier post to the op about half tuition to WUSTL, my friend got a 170 w/ a 3.53 GPA....so youre still pretty comparable

and you might want to look out east a bit too, ive heard that in youre range BC and (one of my favs) washington and lee give out good scholarship money......plus, lets be honest dont we all wanna be out east? 8)

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby Patriot1208 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:37 pm

romothesavior wrote:Attn: 0Ls
From: romothesavior
RE: Useful tool for applications

You probably are all familiar with Law School Predictor, but Law School Numbers is far superior, especially for higher ranked schools with more applicants. Please refer to this resource:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/


Romo, you are still a 0L... just remember that :)

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby romothesavior » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:03 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Attn: 0Ls Prospective Applicants
From: romothesavior
RE: Useful tool for applications

You probably are all familiar with Law School Predictor, but Law School Numbers is far superior, especially for higher ranked schools with more applicants. Please refer to this resource:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/


Romo, you are still a 0L... just remember that :)


Haha no I am a "rising 1L." I deserve more street cred!!! :D

But yeah, sorry. Should have said "Prospective Applicants." I ftfm.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby mi-chan17 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:38 pm

With very similar numbers, I was offered half (or more) scholarship at:
GWU
WUSTL
ND
W&L

People with numbers like ours fell one of two ways at BC/BU this year. 1) They got in with decent money OR 2) They were WL'd. So they might be worth applying to, but neither is necessarily a sure thing.

As for Duke...it's worth applying to as a reach. I was WL'd there, and there might be something in your app that could be shinier than mine. So it's definitely worth a shot, but you're a far cry from money there, I fear.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby adammac17 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:05 am

As of right now heres my list of schools i plan on throwing an app to:


UVA (waiver)
CORNELL
~
UIUC
WUSTL
ND
tOSU
W&L
W&M
GW
INDIANA
~
CASE WESTERN
UC BOULDER
ALABAMA

i have more waivers than just UVA but i included that to justify my sending in an app

does my list need more reach schools? or are some of my targets possibly reaches??

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:13 am

adammac17 wrote:As of right now heres my list of schools i plan on throwing an app to:


UVA (waiver)
CORNELL
~
UIUC
WUSTL
ND
tOSU
W&L
W&M
GW
INDIANA
~
CASE WESTERN
UC BOULDER
ALABAMA

i have more waivers than just UVA but i included that to justify my sending in an app

does my list need more reach schools? or are some of my targets possibly reaches??


Take out everything from Indiana on down. Add a few more T20s.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby mapes » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:20 am

averse

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:21 am

mapes wrote:averse


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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby mapes » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:25 am

nothing. sorry. just a finance major with a pet peeve.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby adammac17 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:47 am

ill probably wind up adding MINN and IOWA, maybe UC DAVIS but should i add any more t14s?? no w/e so i dont think i have a shot at NW but are any others worth a app? i feel im being too conservative

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby 03121202698008 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:35 pm

romothesavior wrote:Attn: 0Ls
From: romothesavior
RE: Useful tool for applications

You probably are all familiar with Law School Predictor, but Law School Numbers is far superior, especially for higher ranked schools with more applicants. Please refer to this resource:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/


Pretty sure LSP is an abstract formula derived from LSN's data. YCR could speak to this more since it's his site.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby clintonius » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:53 pm

mapes wrote:nothing. sorry. just a finance major with a pet peeve stick up his ass and an inability to use the quote feature to make clear to what he is referring.

True.

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Re: 3.42 UGPA and 169 june 2010 lsat.......wheres the money?

Postby romothesavior » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:08 pm

blowhard wrote:Pretty sure LSP is an abstract formula derived from LSN's data. YCR could speak to this more since it's his site.


It is, but the formula really isn't helpful for splitters, URMs, or comparing what different schools look for.

I posted this in another thread, but here is an example:

For Vandy, median LSAT/sub-par GPA = ding
For WUSTL, median LSAT/sub-par GPA= pretty much auto-admit

So seeing a "consider" or "strong-consider" for both doesn't really help you, because in reality is more like "you're in" at WUSTL vs. "almost no shot" at Vandy. You also can't see things like walls and trends on LSN. Why use a calculator when you can see a very nice, easy-to-read graph of all applicants for all schools?




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