3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

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OldManWinter
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3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby OldManWinter » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:14 pm

BASIC PROFILE:

GPA: 3.95 (3.97 if weighted) from a 1st tier university with a low GPA avg (poli sci and econ)

LSAT (three times): Cancel-169-Cancel; I had a panic attack/walkout situation in 2007 when I first took the test. I took it again in June 2009 and got a 169, but was not satisfied as it was lower than my PT's of ~175. So, I took it again in 2010, but canceled that score too b/c I mis-bubbled a section.

SOFTS:

Masters in Public Policy from a top program (GPA ~3.9, worked full-time while attending school)
One-year research fellowship in S. Korea
Worked for two years at a defense policy analysis firm

School to which I intend to send applications, in order of preference, are:
1) Chicago/Stanford [tied]
3) Michigan/Berkeley [tied]
5) UVA (can claim residency)
6) Northwestern
7) Duke
8) Vanderbilt
9) Georgetown
10) GMU (Can claim residency, safety school)

In addition to admission predications, I'd appreciate advice on if and where to ED. As a law and econ devotee, I am inclined to ED at Chicago (top choice) right now, but if you feel that Chicago is out of my reach and I would be better served by throwing a ED at a lower preference, like UVA or Michigan, please let me know.

Also, I'd appreciate any thought on LSAT re-takes. I know 4x over 3 years would look bad, but I feel like I really could do better if I can just control my anxiety. Then again, perhaps 169 is enough for what I want and I should instead concentrate on forging a solid application.

Thank you.
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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby DanInALionsDen » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:17 pm

169 isn't high enough for what you want, and if you're consistently testing around a 175, you owe yourself a retake. Since you've cancelled your scores, rather than waiting and receiving poor scores, it shouldn't look that bad. Right now I'd say you're in at Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cornell, maybe Mich, maybe Duke, maybe UVa with an ED.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby DanInALionsDen » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:18 pm

PS. It's Stanford.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby AdamatUCF » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:20 pm

I know it's not on your list, but if you're listing Vandy and GULC, you should know that you're solidly in the green for Cornell.

http://cornell.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby DanInALionsDen » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:20 pm

Sorry to post three times in a row, but I'm looking at the schools you posted, and you probably do have a shot at all of them, and like I said, you'll be an autoadmit at some, but I still think you owe it to yourself to retake for the $$$$.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby thalassocrat » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:21 pm

I had nearly identical numbers and was in at Mich, UVA, Duke, and Georgetown, WL at Chicago, rejected at Berkeley, and didn't apply to the rest of the schools on your list. I also had worse softs; I wouldn't be surprised to see you in at Berkeley and/or Chicago. Berkeley was pretty much hit or miss with our numbers this cycle and some people were straight admitted at Chicago, but they all had much better softs than I. If you're going to ED to any of them, that's the one I'd pick if I were you. I don't know enough about Stanford to really say there.

Retake is also credited.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby OldManWinter » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:40 pm

Thanks for all the advice.

I guess its back to the books with me come Sept. I suppose it would be worth it if it leads to better admissions result or some $.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby hax123 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:36 pm

Retake.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby sundance95 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:39 pm

In at Boalt.

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby hax123 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:44 pm

sundance95 wrote:In at Boalt.


Not according to LSN.

Besides, why settle for Boalt when a few more points on the LSAT could get him Columbia or Harvard?

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby im_blue » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:47 am

sundance95 wrote:In at Boalt.

Probably a coin flip: http://berkeley.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... ,8&type=jd

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby Kretzy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:50 am

If you'd be content paying sticker at Chicago, I'd be surprised if you weren't admitted ED. 169/3.8x had good luck the past couple of cycles, you'd probably be no different.

I'd say you have a 50/50 shot at U of C regular decision, and depending on your softs you are a very solid candidate numbers-wise for Berkeley (and quite possibly SLS).

If you apply in September, I'd be surprised if you didn't get a T-6 acceptance, even RD. NYU would probably bite, and Chicago is a great shot.

Good luck!

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby r6_philly » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:23 am

Kretzy wrote:If you apply in September, I'd be surprised if you didn't get a T-6 acceptance, even RD. NYU would probably bite, and Chicago is a great shot.

Good luck!


I hope you are right about this! :lol:

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Re: 3.95 GPA 169 LSAT

Postby lawls » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:47 am

ED to Chicago for sure, as long you are willing to pay sticker. Sounds like you have a strong application and your GPA is very good. You definitely have a good shot, so it is a perfectly fine ED choice, though it isn't a safety.

A retake is fine as long as you score higher, though you'll have to hit it out of the park to have a good chance at HYS (some of the few schools who seem to grade more harshly for those with lots of retakes). I think if you get a third cancel or a lower score, it might be a slight detriment to your application (it is true schools don't average, but that isn't to say that they don't interpret your LSAT history when need be; at least at the top schools). And it is not that out of the ordinary to score six points lower than your practice test average - the real thing is always harder. So my suggestion would be to retake only if you push your score from 175 average to 177 average or so... something needs to change so you don't cancel again. Once you hit that higher average, sign up for the retake.

Good luck, you seem like an interesting applicant. I'll also be surprised if one of Berkeley or Michigan don't work out, in the event that Chicago/Stanford don't.




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