What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

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What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby haines8 » Tue May 18, 2010 4:13 am

I am two semesters away from graduating from a private university (majoring in history) and will end up with a GPA between 3.3 and 3.4. My dream would be to get into WUSTL. What LSAT score would I need to have a decent shot? If I score between 160 and 170 what are the best schools I could get into?

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby LateNight » Tue May 18, 2010 4:27 am

You would need at least a 174-175 for a 100% admit at WUSTL. The good news is they do take splitters with lowish GPA's like yours. But, you have a "good" shot with a 168+, anything less and you are on thin ice, especially in this competitive environment.

This is also my dream school. I have a 3.8 (will graduate with a 3.85), and am shooting for a 170 on the LSAT (Am PTing in the mid-160's, and am taking in October.)

I hope to get in with some $$ because in my opinion WUSTL is not worth sticker. Mostly because in the region you will be competing with so many good/better schools:

Michigan *T13
Northwestern *T13
University of Chicago *T13
Iowa *T25
Notre Dame *T25
Illinois *T25
Minnesota *T25
Indiana-Bloomington *T25 (or at least T30, not sure?)

(Did I miss some?)

Needless to say a large portion of these graduates will be shooting for the same markets:
Chicago ($$$), St. Louis, St. Paul/Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee

WUSTL is in a highly saturated market, with a bad (if not terrible in most of the region) economic outlook, and a bunch of T25 schools. WUSTL might not be worth the sticker unless you graduate top 5% and/or want to stay in St. Louis.

Shoot for a 175 so you have a chance at good money. There was someone who had a 3.7 and a 168 on LSAT and got denied at WUSTL last cycle. I also saw someone with a 3.5 and a 162 get accepted. Shoot high and consider the financial costs if you are forced between sticker at WUSTL and a scholarship elsewhere.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby ENGINEERD » Tue May 18, 2010 4:34 am

I disagree with the above poster. Based off this years cycle, you should have a very good shot with a 167. I know LSN is a very small sample but take a look at the WUSTL graph. There is a wall of yellow up to 166 and a wall of green starting at 167. Based off LSN I think you stand a pretty good chance of a little $$ too.

Good luck!

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby LateNight » Tue May 18, 2010 5:02 am

ENGINEERD wrote:I disagree with the above poster. Based off this years cycle, you should have a very good shot with a 167


According to Law School Predictor, with a 3.3 GPA and a 167 he is a consider, being slightly below median. I was saying that a 170+ would get him a 100% chance of acceptance. But, a 167 (at median) with that low of a GPA (below median) doesn't translate to $$$ in my mind.

I could be wrong, I just wouldn't expect WUSTL to be throwing cash to attract students at/below their median. Does he have a good shot with a 167? Certainly! Is it a secure? Far from it.

Edit: Even a 173 only puts him in the 75% percentile at WUSTL (accepted for sure, but maybe not with $$ with a 3.3 gpa.) That is why I said 174-175 for 100% secure (with $).

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby myq » Tue May 18, 2010 6:21 am

I got in with some $ with a very low GPA and a 170, but there are also some splitters like me that didn't get in. Apply early.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Tue May 18, 2010 9:34 am

I think a 167 should be enough.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby FuManChusco » Tue May 18, 2010 10:19 am

Late night is insane. WUSTL throws acceptances at 167+. You could have a 2.5 and a 170 would probably get you in. With a 3.3 you should be good with 167. They live off of T14 rejects so they accept every high LSAT that applies. They are the definition of a splitter school.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby MoS » Tue May 18, 2010 10:23 am

168+

And 160-170 is not a reasonable range. That would like asking what kind of car can I get if I had $20,000-$40,000

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Wed May 19, 2010 11:04 am

FuManChusco wrote:Late night is insane. WUSTL throws acceptances at 167+. You could have a 2.5 and a 170 would probably get you in. With a 3.3 you should be good with 167. They live off of T14 rejects so they accept every high LSAT that applies. They are the definition of a splitter school.


If that's true, I have a lot less to worry about.. 8)
WUSTL seems to be doing well enough in this economy. (In the sense that not all of their students are screwed over..)

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby FuManChusco » Wed May 19, 2010 6:46 pm

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:Late night is insane. WUSTL throws acceptances at 167+. You could have a 2.5 and a 170 would probably get you in. With a 3.3 you should be good with 167. They live off of T14 rejects so they accept every high LSAT that applies. They are the definition of a splitter school.


If that's true, I have a lot less to worry about.. 8)
WUSTL seems to be doing well enough in this economy. (In the sense that not all of their students are screwed over..)


http://washu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

look at the wall of green that goes up at 167. they know they have to keep their LSAT median high to stay T20. Unfortunately St. Louis isn't target market number 1 for most people so a lot of applicants will go to other schools over WUSTL. They hedge their bets by accepting a ton of high LSATs and throwing out a lot of cash. As a splitter, I respect them a lot, haha. Truly a great school.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby LateNight » Wed May 19, 2010 8:40 pm

I would like to see the GPA for those green dots. I doubt they are at 3.3

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Wed May 19, 2010 8:46 pm

LateNight wrote:I would like to see the GPA for those green dots. I doubt they are at 3.3


Just put your cursor over the green dots on the graph and see for yourself.
Many 167's with below a 3.3 were accepted to WUSTL this year.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby mazzini » Wed May 19, 2010 9:02 pm

I got in with a 3.3/168. But I am positive that I got lucky. Don't leave it to chance, aim for 170-172 for a sure bet. And apply early.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby LateNight » Wed May 19, 2010 9:04 pm

Well I'll be damned! Give me a dunce cap and an acceptance letter to WUSTL.

I had a 3.8 and figured I would need a minimum of 170 to get in.

Sweet.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed May 19, 2010 9:06 pm

I have a 3.3 UGPA and 172 LSAT, and I got in with $10k/year.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby Rand M. » Wed May 19, 2010 9:27 pm

LateNight wrote:Well I'll be damned! Give me a dunce cap and an acceptance letter to WUSTL.

I had a 3.8 and figured I would need a minimum of 170 to get in.

Sweet.


3.8 170 will put you squarely in T14 territory.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby OneSixtySix » Wed May 19, 2010 9:45 pm

166/3.8 with 20k/year

It seems like a great school but I never had time to visit and couldnt sell myself on moving from the east coast to start school in St Louis

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby FuManChusco » Wed May 19, 2010 10:06 pm

LateNight wrote:Well I'll be damned! Give me a dunce cap and an acceptance letter to WUSTL.

I had a 3.8 and figured I would need a minimum of 170 to get in.

Sweet.


if you have a 3.8/170 then you should be aiming for T6.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby LateNight » Thu May 20, 2010 1:45 am

a 3.8 and a 170 gets me solid red at all top 6 schools, don't know where you are looking.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby FuManChusco » Thu May 20, 2010 2:23 am

LateNight wrote:a 3.8 and a 170 gets me solid red at all top 6 schools, don't know where you are looking.


I mean, you'd most likely get waitlisted/rejected, but NYU might take you and if you bump the LSAT up a few points, I'm sure you'd get one of CCN.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby ppa840 » Thu May 20, 2010 2:27 am

FuManChusco wrote:
LateNight wrote:Well I'll be damned! Give me a dunce cap and an acceptance letter to WUSTL.

I had a 3.8 and figured I would need a minimum of 170 to get in.

Sweet.


if you have a 3.8/170 then you should be aiming for T6.


I don't think T6, but a 3.8/170 gives you a shot for T7 to T14

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby You Gotta Have Faith » Thu May 20, 2010 2:49 am

LateNight wrote:Needless to say a large portion of these graduates will be shooting for the same markets:
Chicago ($$$), St. Louis, St. Paul/Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee

WUSTL is in a highly saturated market, with a bad (if not terrible in most of the region) economic outlook, and a bunch of T25 schools. WUSTL might not be worth the sticker unless you graduate top 5% and/or want to stay in St. Louis.


Statements like the bolded cause me to question whether you know at all what you are talking about. Bleaker than things have been? Perhaps. But terrible legal market, when compared to the rest of the country? Hardly. California, and for that matter New York, I can assure you, are more competitive to get a foothold into than the Midwest. The Midwest has actually done a bit better, relatively speaking. Don't underestimate the size of the Midwest market. There are several cities in it that people go to. It doesn't all center around one giant city (such as in NYC, DC, or LA). Sure, Chicago is the "powerhouse" if you will, but it isn't the only Midwestern market.

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Re: What LSAT score do I need for WUSTL?

Postby byunbee » Thu May 20, 2010 2:53 am

LateNight wrote:This is also my dream school....

I hope to get in with some $$ because in my opinion WUSTL is not worth sticker. Mostly because in the region you will be competing with so many good/better schools:

Michigan *T13
Northwestern *T13
University of Chicago *T13
Iowa *T25
Notre Dame *T25
Illinois *T25
Minnesota *T25
Indiana-Bloomington *T25 (or at least T30, not sure?)

(Did I miss some?)

Needless to say a large portion of these graduates will be shooting for the same markets:
Chicago ($$$), St. Louis, St. Paul/Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee

WUSTL is in a highly saturated market, with a bad (if not terrible in most of the region) economic outlook, and a bunch of T25 schools. WUSTL might not be worth the sticker unless you graduate top 5% and/or want to stay in St. Louis.


If you believe all this to be true, why is this your dream school?




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