4.14 GPA, what LSAT should be expected for HYS?

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4.14 GPA, what LSAT should be expected for HYS?

Postby bd1131 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:20 pm

First, a question regarding transcripts and how they are read:
I am Canadian, and our scaling and percentage scores differ from yours (i.e. A+ is a 90+, A is 85-89). According to this grading scale, I would have a 4.14 GPA. My transcript includes both letter grades and percentages. If a transcript includes both letter grades and percentages, which one will they use in the calculation of my GPA? I am hoping it would be the letter grades, because my LSDAS GPA would be very low otherwise.

I am not an expert on LSAT scores and how they match with GPAs, but I am assuming that if my GPA is 4.14 then I would be able to afford having a slightly lower LSAT than a person with a 3.95 or maybe even 4.0.

What LSAT score should I be aiming for to lock myself in to the T6?

Thanks

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Postby jayn3 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:21 pm

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Postby $1.99 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:23 pm

if you are smart enough to get a 4.14 gpa, use that brain of yours to look up their 25th and 75th percentiles and make an educated guess because that is what the rest of us will be doing.

i did that just now and the answer is 171 - 172 for a moderate chance, 173 - 174 for a strong chance, and a 175+ for a lock

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Postby Mr. Matlock » Mon May 03, 2010 11:23 pm

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Postby nixxers » Mon May 03, 2010 11:25 pm

Play around with the graphs on lawschoolnumbers.com :)

3.95/4.0 vs. 4.14 won't make a big difference, I think, because so many ugrads don't give A+'s. You're in good shape GPA-wise so just focus on getting the highest score you can at this point. Shoot for that 180, there is no reason not to.

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Postby Kilpatrick » Mon May 03, 2010 11:26 pm

I never understand these questions. Your goal should be to do as well as you possibly can. If you find out that the number you need is 171 and you're capable of getting 175, what are you going to do? Miss a couple questions on purpose?

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Postby MeechiganBoy » Mon May 03, 2010 11:28 pm

nixxers wrote:Play around with the graphs on lawschoolnumbers.com :)

3.95/4.0 vs. 4.14 won't make a big difference, I think, because so many ugrads don't give A+'s. You're in good shape GPA-wise so just focus on getting the highest score you can at this point. Shoot for that 180, there is no reason not to.


Yeah just look at the window where it is mostly green, but those T3 windows are damn small

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Postby bd1131 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:30 pm

Reason: slightly lowers the pressure I guess, even though it is really just a false sense of security, I guess.

And yeah you guys are right, I just had to look at the graphs on Law School Numbers. For HYS there doesn't seem to be any way to necessarily lock yourself.

Although it has been insinuated, do they look at your letter grades or percentages? Just to be sure.

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Postby jayn3 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:35 pm

well they do ask for a copy of your transcript for a reason.....i imagine they have a basic understanding of the canadian system and likely the relative difficulty of courses you took if you came from a well-known institution.

not that i'm either an admissions dean or canadian.....

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Postby cardnal124 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:38 pm

bd1131 wrote:Reason: slightly lowers the pressure I guess, even though it is really just a false sense of security, I guess.

And yeah you guys are right, I just had to look at the graphs on Law School Numbers. For HYS there doesn't seem to be any way to necessarily lock yourself.

Although it has been insinuated, do they look at your letter grades or percentages? Just to be sure.


http://www.lsac.org/AboutLSAC/faqs-and- ... -different

Doesn't really clear it up there, so you could be looking at either...

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Postby iShotFirst » Mon May 03, 2010 11:42 pm

My suggestion is to wait until you get your LSDAS GPA from the LSAC. When I gave them my McMaster transcript it really dropped from what I thought. It seems like they consider 90 and above an A, 80-90 a B, etc in the American style, which can really drop your grade. It may be different with other schools (I dont know which university you went to) but I wouldnt count all your eggs yet. Unfortunately you will have to accept what they decide and just deal with it.

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Postby bd1131 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:45 pm

iShotFirst wrote:My suggestion is to wait until you get your LSDAS GPA from the LSAC. When I gave them my McMaster transcript it really dropped from what I thought. It seems like they consider 90 and above an A, 80-90 a B, etc in the American style, which can really drop your grade. It may be different with other schools (I dont know which university you went to) but I wouldnt count all your eggs yet. Unfortunately you will have to accept what they decide and just deal with it.


Did your school's transcript include both % and letter grades?

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Postby iShotFirst » Mon May 03, 2010 11:50 pm

Just number grades which is likely different from your system. Mac rates on a 12pt system so its a pretty weird translation. Not much help maybe, but just want you to be aware it might be different than you think. Hopefully not tho!

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Postby bd1131 » Mon May 03, 2010 11:59 pm

If anyone knows whether GPA is calculated by % or letter grades, please let me know. Thanks.

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Re: 4.14 GPA, what LSAT should be expected for HYS?

Postby DoubleChecks » Mon May 03, 2010 11:59 pm

id call LSAC or something to figure out how they'd do your LSDAS GPA...that is what law schools will look at

now you said your transcript has both the % and the letter grade...so im not sure which LSAC will choose to use, but i could see it affecting your chances lol

IF your LSDAS GPA ends up being a 4.14, id go w/ 175+ for lock at HYS (one of the 3, prob H)

that being said, my gut says LSAC will not give you 4.33 for your A+'s but will go w/ the #% grade on your transcript

their site says they use whats on the transcript...you have both, thus my uncertainty/ignorance

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Re: 4.14 GPA, what LSAT should be expected for HYS?

Postby 20121109 » Tue May 04, 2010 12:05 am

I hate to say it...but you should anticipate a drop.

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According to this website, those 85-89 that are A's right now, will be calculated as B/B+....Some of those A+'s that are a 90, expect an A- in return.

Good luck. I wish you the best on the LSAT! :)

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Postby jayn3 » Tue May 04, 2010 12:07 am

has everyone answered your question enough that we can degenerate this thread into canadian jokes yet?

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Postby bd1131 » Tue May 04, 2010 12:09 am

Well, even though that last link was inconclusive, go ahead to Canadian jokes.
Canada is a joke, why do you think I am leaving to the States?

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Postby jayn3 » Tue May 04, 2010 12:11 am

ahhh wonderful. i expect you to make more jokes than your american peers during your time here........otherwise we'll deport you

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Postby swimbrad » Tue May 04, 2010 12:28 am

Speaking from *some* experience (at least with this cycle) - with that GPA, a 173 didn't cut it

So I'd say at LEAST 174, 175+ (maybe 176+) if you want to be comfortable

Don't believe that past results will completely predict future results, I believe that getting in is going to continue to be more difficult

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Postby Bankhead » Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am

Kilpatrick wrote:I never understand these questions. Your goal should be to do as well as you possibly can. If you find out that the number you need is 171 and you're capable of getting 175, what are you going to do? Miss a couple questions on purpose?


Maybe because trying to raise your average from 171 to 175 requires like another 4 months of study time for most people...

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Re: 4.14 GPA, what LSAT should be expected for HYS?

Postby yeff » Wed May 05, 2010 6:14 pm

Here's my question - what grades do most people get in this Canadian scale?

Is the 91 that is an A+ like getting a 91 on a very difficult science exam in which no one is expected to be capable of answering all of the questions?




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