3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

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3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:28 am

I'm a white male, and I've been out of undergrad since '02. I worked for INS for a couple of years and have been a cop for a couple of years. I started law school at Texas Tech in '02, didn't like it, and quickly withdrew. I've grown up a lot and changed my priorities and wants. I've checked lawschoolnumber and lsac, but I just wanted a little personal input of my chances. Thanks for any opinions.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby BriaTharen » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:33 am

Yes for LSU, maybe for Tulane (if you can get your LSAT into the 160s, Tulane will be more definite). Not sure about the others.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby tadams86 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:42 am

I say yes for baylor if you apply to their summer/spring program, not sure about the others

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:33 pm

Cool deal. I figure I'm going to stay in the Texas area so LSU or Baylor would both work just fine. Thanks for the info.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby kalvano » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:36 pm

Where in Texas do you want to practice?

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby colemf » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:44 pm

SMU-Out
Baylor-In(Spring/Summer), Out(Fall)
UH-Out
LSU-In
Tulane-50/50

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby JOThompson » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:47 pm

I made it into Baylor spring with similar numbers. My SMU application was held and I was outright rejected at University of Houston. I was a bit surprised by the UH ding, I think my risky PS was the deathknell of my application.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:48 pm

You would be waitlisted at Tulane (for your gpa).

As the earlier posted stated, if you increased your LSAT to 161+ you would be golden with your gpa.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:06 am

Cool thanks again for the replies.

As far as practicing goes, I'm from West Texas. And I want to practice pretty much anywhere but there.

My question about SMU is, why does it have a reputation for being so hard to get in to? According to LSAC the 75/25's are 3.85/3.29 and 165/154. And for people with a 3.75+ GPA and a 150-154, they let in 52 out of 73. For 3.75 and 155-159 they let in 155-159. Is there like a magic word to put in a personal statement or is it like a family/connection thing or what?

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:01 am

horsethief80 wrote:As far as practicing goes, I'm from West Texas. And I want to practice pretty much anywhere but there.



All of the schools are pretty regional. SMU goes to Dallas, UofH to Houston, Tulane might have some mobility to parts of Texas. I'm just assuming you're going to do the smart thing and skip Baylor.

So pick where you want to live and go there.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby isaiah6v8 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:12 am

where did you go to undergrad?

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:58 am

Haha wow, so no Baylor at all huh? I mean I've heard a few bad things here and there. If you don't mind me asking, does it just not travel well or not worth the bang for your buck or what?

I went to a small college in West Texas, Angelo State.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby JOThompson » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:06 pm

horsethief80 wrote:Haha wow, so no Baylor at all huh? I mean I've heard a few bad things here and there. If you don't mind me asking, does it just not travel well or not worth the bang for your buck or what?

I went to a small college in West Texas, Angelo State.

There are a few recurring criticisms of Baylor. The school doesn't have a home market which makes employment a little uncertain, even though Texas hasn't been particularly nailed by the economic downturn. Second, Waco is perceived as boring by TLSers.

However, Baylor seems to be reasonably well respected in Texas. I just wouldn't expect to leave the state with a Baylor JD.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby utswdukie80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:09 pm

horsethief80 wrote:Cool thanks again for the replies.

As far as practicing goes, I'm from West Texas. And I want to practice pretty much anywhere but there.

My question about SMU is, why does it have a reputation for being so hard to get in to? According to LSAC the 75/25's are 3.85/3.29 and 165/154. And for people with a 3.75+ GPA and a 150-154, they let in 52 out of 73. For 3.75 and 155-159 they let in 155-159. Is there like a magic word to put in a personal statement or is it like a family/connection thing or what?


That's because those numbers include their part-time evening program as well. I believe the median LSAT for SMU's FT program is 164 and median GPA is much closer 3.75.

Edit: I'm sure finding their FT-only numbers would be easy enough to do, I'm just too lazy to do it.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby 98234872348 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:15 pm

If you scored below your PT average I suggest you retake, just saying...

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:15 pm

Ohhhh ok. That makes sense.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:25 pm

And my average was 157. So I did a little better on the actual test. I'm just kind of torn because I feel like I have a shot or almost a shot at some of the previously mentioned places now. I worry that if I take it again and do worse that I'll have no shot. Decisions, decisions....

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby isaiah6v8 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:50 pm

in your case I would not write off Baylor. The criticisms are vailid, but it is a good school for litigation skills and also in Texas.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:30 pm

Oh ok good deal. I won't. I'm not looking to go t14 or anything. I'm just looking to go to decent, solid school school. And from the sound of it Baylor would be ok for that.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby tsub » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:32 pm

I made it into UH and Tulane but got rejected at SMU with a 158/3.6x

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:14 pm

utswdukie80 wrote:That's because those numbers include their part-time evening program as well. I believe the median LSAT for SMU's FT program is 164 and median GPA is much closer 3.75.



That's pretty bang-on.

They are also big in to Dallas ties / legacies.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:15 pm

horsethief80 wrote:Oh ok good deal. I won't. I'm not looking to go t14 or anything. I'm just looking to go to decent, solid school school. And from the sound of it Baylor would be ok for that.



You'll do double the work for no real discernible reason.

Having said that, yes, you can do well in Texas with a Baylor degree. I would place it well below SMU & UofH & Tulane though.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby gwuorbust » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:58 am

plus IMO it is not just a matter of getting off the WLs, but ask yourself if you want to take out 190k debt for Tulane if you were to get in. Think about that. I would never do it. I do not even know abt my tentative decision to go to Tulane w/ a 25k year schly.

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Mon May 03, 2010 7:47 pm

SMU: Accept
Baylor: Accept
UH: Accept
LSU: Accept
Tulane: Accept

I'm guessing you want to work in Texas.
All of these schools regularly accept sub-160 applicants and your 3.81 gives them a reason to do so!

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Re: 3.81/159 chances SMU, Baylor, UH, LSU, Tulane

Postby horsethief80 » Tue May 04, 2010 11:46 am

From what I've heard, based on the debt, assuming I got in, Tulane would not be a good option. I was also thinking about applying to Loyola NO to see if I could get some money. Also I took the February LSAT and am planning on applying as early as possible for fall 2011. Will getting it in early help my chances at all?




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