Duke Law chances

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby icydash » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:33 pm

this has all gotten way off topic. i didn't mean to start a debate about AA ...

...but since it's started, i agree with a previous poster that all applicants should be looked at equally in terms of academic achievement/life experiences. It's a little unfair that without any additional information, just by checking the "URM" box, these applicants get sympathy/leniency because it's automatically assumed "they've had a hard time," or because the school needs to meet some quota. Without supplemental information, that's a huge, and completely unfair assumption to make, and i'm sure a ton of their Caucasian counterparts have had equal difficulty getting to where they are in life.

What I've also always wondered, too, (OP: sorry to use your stats as an example but since this is your thread...) is will someone with a 3.6 GPA and 160 be competitive in a 169+ 3.76+ GPA school? Again, not to be degrading or mean, but it would seem like a person with these kind of stats, VS those of their peers, would end up in the bottom of the class if not failing out completely almost every time.... thus wasting their money/time and a valuable seat position in a school with many other more qualified candidates.

Again, this is not meant to be degrading, but an actual legitimate question i have to those AA students at top schools now where their stats were well below the median--I've always been curious as to the answer to this question.
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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby icydash » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:40 pm

newyorker88 wrote:
wocehtoom wrote:
Kronk wrote:
wocehtoom wrote:I empathize with your disbelief about the enormous URM boost. Want to see something sick? go to lawschoolpredictor and enter your numbers - then click on the urm box. I pray I can use my law degree to change this kind of baloney


Yeah. Because law school should be forced to only admit white students, right?


law schools should be forced to admit the most qualified applicants irrespective of the color of their skin. You don't solve racism with more racism. You end up with Obama in the White House.


and how do we determine who is "most qualified"?


You determine who is most qualified for African American students the same way you do it for Caucasian students: you test their analytical abilities with the LSAT, check their past academic record to see if there is a trend of academic success, and get letters of recommendation from those who know the applicant. There is also room for a personal statement to highlight past achievements/obstacles that should be taken into consideration when looking at the application. But to assume one applicant has had significant past obstacles because they checked the URM box, and to NOT do so because another applicant is white is completely bogus.

I don't see why it should be any different for one group than it is for others. Things like the quality of the undergraduate school/difficulty of the major/any graduate degrees are all extremely soft factors already and should level the playing field enough that, like most other students, the LSAT/GPA should be the majority of what determines where you'll go to school--not your skin color.
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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby holydonkey » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:41 pm

newyorker88 wrote:
wocehtoom wrote:
Kronk wrote:
wocehtoom wrote:I empathize with your disbelief about the enormous URM boost. Want to see something sick? go to lawschoolpredictor and enter your numbers - then click on the urm box. I pray I can use my law degree to change this kind of baloney


Yeah. Because law school should be forced to only admit white students, right?


law schools should be forced to admit the most qualified applicants irrespective of the color of their skin. You don't solve racism with more racism. You end up with Obama in the White House.


and how do we determine who is "most qualified"?


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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby njskatchmo » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:45 pm

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby shane0515 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:48 pm

The purpose of the blog was to determine my chances. I just want your advice on my chances or if you think I need a higher LSAT score. I could care less about what you think about Affirmative Action. I don't care about what you think about that. Its here, its not going away.

Just let me know about chances

Thanks

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby Kronk » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:51 pm

njskatchmo wrote:173/3.62 WL at Duke, I am gonna go out on a limb and say that URM does not make up for 13 points on LSAT. Sorry, need a better lsat score to be in range.


This has nothing to do with the poster. hth

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby holydonkey » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:54 pm

shane0515 wrote:The purpose of the blog was to determine my chances. I just want your advice on my chances or if you think I need a higher LSAT score. I could care less about what you think about Affirmative Action. I don't care about what you think about that. Its here, its not going away.

Just let me know about chances

Thanks


Looking at Duke's stats for the past decade or so, it looks like you'd probably be waitlisted with a 160. If you could bring it up to a 164 or higher you'd have a much better shot.

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby Unitas » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:57 pm

shane0515 wrote:The purpose of the blog was to determine my chances. I just want your advice on my chances or if you think I need a higher LSAT score. I could care less about what you think about Affirmative Action. I don't care about what you think about that. Its here, its not going away.
Just let me know about chances

Thanks


So not true. Hopefully one day it will go away, just not today. Hopefully the next generation or at most 2 more. At that time whites may not even be in the majority anymore.

I would say your odds at Duke are 50/50 with how well you write making the scales tip one way or the other, meaning they will with those numbers review your application. Good enough narrative will get you in, a bad one will get you out. But if you could raise your lsat 5 points you may stand a chance at Top 5 if not applying this cycle.

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby devilishangelrjp » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:01 pm

njskatchmo wrote:173/3.62 WL at Duke, I am gonna go out on a limb and say that URM does not make up for 13 points on LSAT. Sorry, need a better lsat score to be in range.


Well, actually, that limb is a bit shaky. If you hit median (less than 13 points away from OP's estimate), then you at least have a chance. A better lsat wouldn't hurt, but also being the kind of student Duke is looking for beyond numbers doesn't either.

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby Flanker1067 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:02 pm

njskatchmo wrote:173/3.62 WL at Duke, I am gonna go out on a limb and say that URM does not make up for 13 points on LSAT. Sorry, need a better lsat score to be in range.



HAHAHA, this has nothing to do with AA. There are plenty of whites with numbers below yours who have been accepted on LSN, this is the other parts of your app. You should probably look into that.

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby Doritos » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:05 pm

njskatchmo wrote:173/3.62 WL at Duke, I am gonna go out on a limb and say that URM does not make up for 13 points on LSAT. Sorry, need a better lsat score to be in range.


My anecdote beats your anecdote

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Re: Duke Law chances

Postby YCrevolution » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:17 pm

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