3.61/173

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pnic101
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3.61/173

Postby pnic101 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:18 am

Graduated from a top public school -- UNC -- after transferring from a smaller school after my first year. One year work experience, three good academics recs. Phil major.
Already in at Duke, applied to most places late Dec/early Jan -- Most apps filed complete in the last two weeks. 173 is my only score.

What do you reckon my chances are at:
Berkeley
NYU
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Virginia
Michigan

Thanks!

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im_blue
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby im_blue » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:33 am

pnic101 wrote:Graduated from a top public school -- UNC -- after transferring from a smaller school after my first year. One year work experience, three good academics recs. Phil major.
Already in at Duke, applied to most places late Dec/early Jan -- Most apps filed complete in the last two weeks. 173 is my only score.

What do you reckon my chances are at:
Berkeley
NYU
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Virginia
Michigan

Thanks!


Out at Berkeley (low GPA)
WL at Virginia (YP)
In at the rest

democrattotheend
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby democrattotheend » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:46 am

im_blue wrote:
pnic101 wrote:Graduated from a top public school -- UNC -- after transferring from a smaller school after my first year. One year work experience, three good academics recs. Phil major.
Already in at Duke, applied to most places late Dec/early Jan -- Most apps filed complete in the last two weeks. 173 is my only score.

What do you reckon my chances are at:
Berkeley
NYU
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Virginia
Michigan

Thanks!


Out at Berkeley (low GPA)
WL at Virginia (YP)
In at the rest


Why would the OP be yield-protected at UVA? His/her GPA is barely above the 25th. I have an identical LSAT and a 3.82 GPA and I wasn't yield-protected at UVA...I got in within 2 days of them receiving my LSAT score. Being a VA resident probably helped, but still, I doubt the OP would be YP'ed there, and I think they have a good chance of getting in, since UVA seems to prefer people with one number above median (and the OP's LSAT is above 75th) than people with both numbers even slightly below.

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Re: 3.61/173

Postby scribelaw » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:51 am

It might be hard to avoid YP at Michigan, too. Look at the LSN graphs from 2007 and 2008 -- a lot of yellow around your numbers.

Also, you're 50/50 odds at Columbia, maybe a little less? Your GPA is a little low there.

hopefullaw27
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby hopefullaw27 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:43 pm

FWIW i have 3.67/172 i have yet to hear from UVA and Umich even though i applied in october...I actually just withdrew my UVA app. pretty sure UVA is YP, not sure about michigan.

i have gotten into nyu, penn, chicago, and a couple of lower t14's...i think you're numbers may be more competitive than mine even though my gpa is higher. our gpa's are going to be below the school's medians, so the question then becomes how high is our lsat. i was deferred at columbia ED, but my lsat is columbia's median, whereas yours is higher.

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Re: 3.61/173

Postby Kronk » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:44 pm

Out at Berkeley and Columbia. In everywhere else assuming you avoid a WL at UVA.

Marisa5252
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby Marisa5252 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:05 pm

FWIW I applied mid-Dec with a 173/3.5 and have already gotten into NYU and Virginia. I applied to Columbia too from your list but haven't heard back yet.

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im_blue
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby im_blue » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:31 pm

democrattotheend wrote:
im_blue wrote:
pnic101 wrote:Graduated from a top public school -- UNC -- after transferring from a smaller school after my first year. One year work experience, three good academics recs. Phil major.
Already in at Duke, applied to most places late Dec/early Jan -- Most apps filed complete in the last two weeks. 173 is my only score.

What do you reckon my chances are at:
Berkeley
NYU
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Virginia
Michigan

Thanks!


Out at Berkeley (low GPA)
WL at Virginia (YP)
In at the rest


Why would the OP be yield-protected at UVA? His/her GPA is barely above the 25th. I have an identical LSAT and a 3.82 GPA and I wasn't yield-protected at UVA...I got in within 2 days of them receiving my LSAT score. Being a VA resident probably helped, but still, I doubt the OP would be YP'ed there, and I think they have a good chance of getting in, since UVA seems to prefer people with one number above median (and the OP's LSAT is above 75th) than people with both numbers even slightly below.


Because only 2 out of 12 LSN applicants got in last year with a 3.5-3.8/173. The same range of applicants went 9/13 at NYU and have good chances at CC as well.
http://uva.lawschoolnumbers.com/applica ... ,7&type=jd

Being a VA resident makes a huge difference, not just a "probable help."

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Re: 3.61/173

Postby pnic101 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:01 am

Just curious, how much do you guys think my application time will hurt me? I've heard things about apps sent in at the deadline are often DOA, but I sent mine at the end of Dec. or beginning of January. Will that affect me much?

Thanks

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im_blue
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby im_blue » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:06 am

From LSN, it looks like mid-January is right about the borderline when the timing starts becoming a liability. So I'd say you're probably OK at most of your schools.

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Re: 3.61/173

Postby blue5385 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:14 pm

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pnic101
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Re: 3.61/173

Postby pnic101 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:34 am

I didn't write a "Why X" for any of the schools, didn't hurt me at Duke, but I'm wondering how much of a difference that will make.

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Re: 3.61/173

Postby im_blue » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:41 am

pnic101 wrote:I didn't write a "Why X" for any of the schools, didn't hurt me at Duke, but I'm wondering how much of a difference that will make.


With your numbers, Why X essays are essential to avoid YP at Virginia and Michigan.




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