MistakenGenius wrote:First of all, I am 99.99999999999% sure this is either a flame or an adcomm. I find him saying he didn't know what an adcomm was even more suspicious. But I'll move forward as if this isn't a complete waste of time. FYI, this is a mistaken genius post, so it will be unnecessarily long.
VAUDC, let me try to explain this in terms you can comprehend. On Top-Law-Schools, educational quality really does not matter to any of us. This is for two reasons. One, the law is not incredibly complicated to learn. There are numerous great lawyers throughout history who did not even go to law school in the first place. Clarence Darrow did not graduate law school, and he is one of the most legendary attorneys in our country's history. You can get a fine education on the law from any law school or even from reading books on the subject. Second, despite what you seem to think, law school is not meant to provide you with an education. Law School is a professional school whose entire value rests on finding its students employment opportunities. Most people do not go $180,000 (COA of UDC) in debt because they want a good education. They go in debt because they want to be lawyers. This is not an analogy like a bloomin onion or something like that. There are not different facets to these schools. A Law School can be judged solely on its ability to do what law schools are meant to do, namely, give its students the opportunity to practice law. No one on this site is going to support a school whose students are all working as barristas at starbucks but who say they received an excellent education.
I don't understand why you seem to think this is a game of averages. LST uses the employment data the ABA receives from your school. Your school is required to submit the complete data set each year to the ABA. The only way any of this data is misleading is if your school broke the rules and maybe the law. This is the data on the entire class last year. According to the data your school is required to release, only 23% of your classmates (not average, last year) found any sort of legal employment of any kind. None of them were hired by Biglaw firms (whose salaries are the only thing that will let students pay off this debt) and none of them were hired as clerks to Federal judges. Almost half were completely unemployed or forced to try to get another degree 9 months after graduation.
I will say, UC Irvine is a new school, and knowing that employment is the most important thing, have called on favors and gone to bat for their new students. Their employment score is very impressive. That said, you can see that they have a higher unemployment score than Yale, and that Yale far outplaces them in Biglaw, Clerkships, public interest, and fellowships, the most desired jobs out of law school.
I do like how you blame the 50.4% female student body for the atrocious employment scores of your school. I would like to point out that Berkeley has 58.6% women, and yet their employment scores don't seem to suffer all that much. --LinkRemoved-- You say that every other school panders to the market. Even if that were true, isn't UDC's responsibility to pander as well to help its students so they don't become unemployed failures? I fail to see why you mention these clinics. Yes, your school has 8 clinics. Most schools have far more than that and even if that weren't the case, the opportunity to help the poor doesn't change the fact that half of UDC's student body will become those poor that need help.
Even though this is unnecessary, I really want to destroy your arguments by attacking these other qualities you say UDC has. You mentioned notable alumni and said no school has more other than Ivy league schools. Well, most people here know I'm not the biggest supporter of NYU, but let's use it as an example. Your school has six accomplished alumni:
Aviva Kempner, Documentary Filmmaker
Thomas Kilbride, Illinois Supreme Court Chief Justice
Keiffer Mitchell, Maryland State Delegate
Jon Wellinghoff, Chairman, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
Tiffany Alston, Maryland State Delegate
NYU meanwhile has a couple more, follow this link por favor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NY ... ool_people
Just for the hell of it, here's Harvard's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ha ... ool_alumni
You also mention that your school has better faculty than any other law school outside the Ivy league. Well, here are three separate rankings based on different data (amount cited in papers, membership in the American Academy of Arts and Science, and scholarly reputation). Unfortunately, it seems UDC just missed the cutoff in each one.
http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2 ... tion.shtml
http://www.leiterrankings.com/new/2012_ ... pact.shtml
I'm tired of writing now, so tell me, considering the facts I've listed, why should we take the time to consider UDC?