Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

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Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby BES621 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:43 pm

I'm ridiculously torn. I'm going back and forth. I got an extension for accepting michigan's offer till monday, and i tentatively committed at Berkeley a few weeks ago to cover my bases. I went to both ASW's (on back-to-back weekends) and I just cant make up my mind. I'm from NY, born and raised, and am currently finishing up at Penn undergrad, but i decided not to stay for law school after getting in. My top two choices were NYU and Stanford, but i was waitlisted at both, so I've narrowed my options down to these two. ANY advice, recommendations, or help are extremely welcome!

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby Knock » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:47 pm

BES621 wrote:I'm ridiculously torn. I'm going back and forth. I got an extension for accepting michigan's offer till monday, and i tentatively committed at Berkeley a few weeks ago to cover my bases. I went to both ASW's (on back-to-back weekends) and I just cant make up my mind. I'm from NY, born and raised, and am currently finishing up at Penn undergrad, but i decided not to stay for law school after getting in. My top two choices were NYU and Stanford, but i was waitlisted at both, so I've narrowed my options down to these two. ANY advice, recommendations, or help are extremely welcome!


What is the cost of attendance for each school, and what are your career goals?

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby BES621 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:49 pm

I got 15K a year from Michigan, and nothing from Boalt. But i've passed up so much money to other schools (Vandy, Duke, UCLA, etc) that its really not a factor anymore. As far as career stuff, i think i want to do entertainment/sports, but i wasnt willing to put all my eggs in one basket and run to UCLA. I'm def deciding between these two...

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby Knock » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:56 pm

BES621 wrote:I got 15K a year from Michigan, and nothing from Boalt. But i've passed up so much money to other schools (Vandy, Duke, UCLA, etc) that its really not a factor anymore. As far as career stuff, i think i want to do entertainment/sports, but i wasnt willing to put all my eggs in one basket and run to UCLA. I'm def deciding between these two...


Go to Michigan. I think Berkeley is more expensive anyways.

Edit: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=151221.

Michigan sticker is ~$65k a year*.
Boalt sticker is ~$74k a year*.

So that's a ~$9k difference a year before your scholarship, ~$24k difference a year after scholarships.

Michigan will cost you ~$150k for 3 years.
Boalt will cost you ~$222k for 3 years.

I don't think Boalt is worth ~$72k more than Michigan.

*Numbers may be out of date and are subject to change. Use this only as a rough approximation, and research it yourself thoroughly before making a final decision.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby dooood » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:00 pm

Make a poll and then go to Michigan

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby camelcrema » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:01 pm

Knock wrote:
BES621 wrote:I got 15K a year from Michigan, and nothing from Boalt. But i've passed up so much money to other schools (Vandy, Duke, UCLA, etc) that its really not a factor anymore. As far as career stuff, i think i want to do entertainment/sports, but i wasnt willing to put all my eggs in one basket and run to UCLA. I'm def deciding between these two...


Go to Michigan. I think Berkeley is more expensive anyways.

Edit: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=151221.

Michigan sticker is ~$65k a year*.
Boalt sticker is ~$74k a year*.

So that's a ~$9k difference a year before your scholarship, ~$24k difference a year after scholarships.

Michigan will cost you ~$150k for 3 years.
Boalt will cost you ~$222k for 3 years.

I don't think Boalt is worth ~$72k more than Michigan.

*Numbers may be out of date and are subject to change. Use this only as a rough approximation, and research it yourself thoroughly before making a final decision.


This. And Michigan's campus > Berkeley's campus

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby bilbobaggins » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:02 pm

You'll have more fun at Boalt. I guarantee it.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby BES621 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:06 pm

I'm not concerned about the cost. So let's ignore the money factor for a bit and focus just on the schools.

And to bilbo- why do you say that?

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby Knock » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:10 pm

BES621 wrote:I'm not concerned about the cost. So let's ignore the money factor for a bit and focus just on the schools.

And to bilbo- why do you say that?


ಠ_ಠ

How are you planning on paying for law school?

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby camelcrema » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:15 pm

Bilbo shamelessly plugging Berkeley!? :shock: Never thought I'd see the day!

Then again, if I were you, I would hardcore troll for my school as well :)

ETA: so if cost isn't important, what is?

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby BES621 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:30 pm

a million factors-

I thought the berkeley campus was beautiful
I love the michigan law quad and the Lawyer's Club living situation
Berkeley is amazing IP law
Michigan might make it easier to get back to NY (where i ultimately hope to work)
Berkeley overall location (bay area) and weather can't be beat
The people at Michigan seemed a little more like my kind of people

etc. etc. etc. I'm literally 50/50 right now...

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby IzziesGal » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:34 pm

Just come to Boalt. You won't regret it. Bilbo isn't shamelessly plugging his school....he's just speaking the truth. :wink:

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby glewz » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:46 pm

camelcrema wrote:Michigan's campus > Berkeley's campus


huuuuuuuuh? no way

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby dooood » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:46 pm

BES621 wrote:a million factors-

I thought the berkeley campus was beautiful
I love the michigan law quad and the Lawyer's Club living situation
Berkeley is amazing IP law
Michigan might make it easier to get back to NY (where i ultimately hope to work)
Berkeley overall location (bay area) and weather can't be beat
The people at Michigan seemed a little more like my kind of people

etc. etc. etc. I'm literally 50/50 right now...

It'll be easier to get to NY from Mich than from Berk. A lot of NY lawyers disdain/are downright ignorant about Berkeley

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby worldtraveler » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:27 pm

dooood wrote:
BES621 wrote:a million factors-

I thought the berkeley campus was beautiful
I love the michigan law quad and the Lawyer's Club living situation
Berkeley is amazing IP law
Michigan might make it easier to get back to NY (where i ultimately hope to work)
Berkeley overall location (bay area) and weather can't be beat
The people at Michigan seemed a little more like my kind of people

etc. etc. etc. I'm literally 50/50 right now...

It'll be easier to get to NY from Mich than from Berk. A lot of NY lawyers disdain/are downright ignorant about Berkeley


We really need a facepalm emoticon for stuff like this. Yes, NY lawyers are ignorant about a top 10 law school and the highest rank public institution in the world. Of course they are.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby dooood » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:56 pm

worldtraveler wrote:
dooood wrote:
BES621 wrote:a million factors-

I thought the berkeley campus was beautiful
I love the michigan law quad and the Lawyer's Club living situation
Berkeley is amazing IP law
Michigan might make it easier to get back to NY (where i ultimately hope to work)
Berkeley overall location (bay area) and weather can't be beat
The people at Michigan seemed a little more like my kind of people

etc. etc. etc. I'm literally 50/50 right now...

It'll be easier to get to NY from Mich than from Berk. A lot of NY lawyers disdain/are downright ignorant about Berkeley


We really need a facepalm emoticon for stuff like this. Yes, NY lawyers are ignorant about a top 10 law school and the highest rank public institution in the world. Of course they are.

I didn't mean ignorance as in a lack of knowledge re: its existence, but ignorance re: the caliber of the school. It just doesn't turn heads in New York as much as its ranking would suggest

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby CanadianWolf » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:03 pm

Wait until Tuesday to decide. That should solve your dilemma.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby bk1 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:19 pm

BES621 wrote:a million factors-

I thought the berkeley campus was beautiful
I love the michigan law quad and the Lawyer's Club living situation
Berkeley is amazing IP law
Michigan might make it easier to get back to NY (where i ultimately hope to work)
Berkeley overall location (bay area) and weather can't be beat
The people at Michigan seemed a little more like my kind of people

etc. etc. etc. I'm literally 50/50 right now...


Michigan and Berkeley are peers and probably have very comparable pull in NYC.

Since you're 50/50, and even if you weren't, this is a landslide for Michigan. It makes no sense to pay 75k more for a peer institution. Anybody who says go to Boalt is being ignorant about the value of SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS and if you think ignoring money is a smart decision you might want to start thinking with your brain for a moment before you go to law school.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby jeremysen » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:23 pm

Knock wrote:Michigan will cost you ~$150k for 3 years.
Boalt will cost you ~$222k for 3 years.

I don't think Boalt is worth ~$72k more than Michigan.

*Numbers may be out of date and are subject to change. Use this only as a rough approximation, and research it yourself thoroughly before making a final decision.


OP, if Knock's numbers are right - obviously your first order of business is to double check - then you should attend Mich. 72k more for a peer school is absurd, unless of course you have a strong desire for CA biglaw.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby Shaggier1 » Mon May 02, 2011 8:49 pm

Even as a Boalt 1L I agree that all else being equal, Boalt is not 75K better that UM, especially in this economy. I do think, though, that statements regarding Michigan's supposedly better NY prospects are unfounded. And I think there is a lot to be said for life in the Bay Area–I straight up love going to school in Berkeley. I am not exaggerating when I say that, at least once a day, I find myself stopping to just smile and be happy that I am here.

But maybe I would have been just as happy at Michigan, I really don't know. If I was in your shoes, I would ask myself how serious my interest in IP is. The program at Berkeley, and the resources devoted to it, really are incredible.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby JustE » Mon May 02, 2011 9:00 pm

Sounds like you got a lot of cash at Duke. Berkley will match it. Take the cash and the beautiful weather and run.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby NW Transplant » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:10 am

Also consider that the UC system is under incredible strain with the current fiscal climate in California, hence the insane tuition. Hard to tell what that means for Boalt and UCB in general.

And the end of the day these are two peer schools, and Mich has stronger ties to NY.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby ConfidenceMan2 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:27 am

NW Transplant wrote:Also consider that the UC system is under incredible strain with the current fiscal climate in California, hence the insane tuition. Hard to tell what that means for Boalt and UCB in general.

And the end of the day these are two peer schools, and Mich has stronger ties to NY.


After thinking about it for the last 367 days, I agree with you.

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Re: Michigan vs. Berkeley HELP!!!!!

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:31 am

go to Berk because I need spots to open up for Michigan's waitlist.

Seriously though, Mich is TCR




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