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Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:46 am
by General Tso
calgal17 wrote:
pamcasso wrote:davis offered me somewhere around 30,000 a year between grants and scholarships, so i'm disappointed that hastings hasnt offered me anything near that (yet, hopefully?). does hastings have significantly less funding than davis or is there some other reason for the significant difference between the offers?

and it probably seems stupid to turn that down from davis, but oh well


I think Davis has more grant funds available because they are part of the UC system in a way that Hastings is not. They have UC grants, university grants, and law school grants and Hastings has only law school grants. That made the difference for me at least in the 2 grant amount discrepancies.


The state legislature is gradually cutting all UC professional schools off of state funding, so I am not sure that "UC status" accounts for the difference. The financial differences between the two schools are going to be because of things like number of students, professor salaries, alumni gifts, etc.

Hopefully Hasting's new parking garage will prove to be a source of new revenue so that more grants can be awarded.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:10 am
by calgal17
swheat wrote:
calgal17 wrote:
pamcasso wrote:davis offered me somewhere around 30,000 a year between grants and scholarships, so i'm disappointed that hastings hasnt offered me anything near that (yet, hopefully?). does hastings have significantly less funding than davis or is there some other reason for the significant difference between the offers?

and it probably seems stupid to turn that down from davis, but oh well


I think Davis has more grant funds available because they are part of the UC system in a way that Hastings is not. They have UC grants, university grants, and law school grants and Hastings has only law school grants. That made the difference for me at least in the 2 grant amount discrepancies.


The state legislature is gradually cutting all UC professional schools off of state funding, so I am not sure that "UC status" accounts for the difference. The financial differences between the two schools are going to be because of things like number of students, professor salaries, alumni gifts, etc.

Hopefully Hasting's new parking garage will prove to be a source of new revenue so that more grants can be awarded.


Davis Grants Include:
Law School Grant
State UC Grant
U C Grant

I don't think Hastings offers the last 2. It wasn't an insult to Hastings, just something I noticed.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:17 am
by drdolittle
calgal17 wrote:
swheat wrote:
calgal17 wrote:
pamcasso wrote:davis offered me somewhere around 30,000 a year between grants and scholarships, so i'm disappointed that hastings hasnt offered me anything near that (yet, hopefully?). does hastings have significantly less funding than davis or is there some other reason for the significant difference between the offers?

and it probably seems stupid to turn that down from davis, but oh well


I think Davis has more grant funds available because they are part of the UC system in a way that Hastings is not. They have UC grants, university grants, and law school grants and Hastings has only law school grants. That made the difference for me at least in the 2 grant amount discrepancies.


The state legislature is gradually cutting all UC professional schools off of state funding, so I am not sure that "UC status" accounts for the difference. The financial differences between the two schools are going to be because of things like number of students, professor salaries, alumni gifts, etc.

Hopefully Hasting's new parking garage will prove to be a source of new revenue so that more grants can be awarded.


Davis Grants Include:
Law School Grant
State UC Grant
U C Grant

I don't think Hastings offers the last 2. It wasn't an insult to Hastings, just something I noticed.


I, for one, didn't take it to be an insult to Hastings. Also, schools can call grants whatever they want, presumably.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 am
by LizBennet
ek319 wrote:Could putting down the deposit hurt scholarship chances?

I do think I have the stats and have received very generous packages from higher ranked (high 20s) schools, but I did already deposit at Hastings so that I could apply for housing... (Having spent 4 years at an undergrad uni that very, very badly lacks housing, I am super-paranoid about getting shafted on that front, haha!) Uh-oh?


Wait, so if we sent in the application for housing (w/ the housing deposit) without sending in the deposit for the school, we haven't really applied for housing yet?

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:43 am
by drdolittle
LizBennet wrote:
ek319 wrote:Could putting down the deposit hurt scholarship chances?

I do think I have the stats and have received very generous packages from higher ranked (high 20s) schools, but I did already deposit at Hastings so that I could apply for housing... (Having spent 4 years at an undergrad uni that very, very badly lacks housing, I am super-paranoid about getting shafted on that front, haha!) Uh-oh?


Wait, so if we sent in the application for housing (w/ the housing deposit) without sending in the deposit for the school, we haven't really applied for housing yet?


I don't think so. I'd think (hope) the two deposits are independent, at least for setting housing priority.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:46 am
by ek319
drdolittle wrote:
LizBennet wrote:
ek319 wrote:Could putting down the deposit hurt scholarship chances?

I do think I have the stats and have received very generous packages from higher ranked (high 20s) schools, but I did already deposit at Hastings so that I could apply for housing... (Having spent 4 years at an undergrad uni that very, very badly lacks housing, I am super-paranoid about getting shafted on that front, haha!) Uh-oh?


Wait, so if we sent in the application for housing (w/ the housing deposit) without sending in the deposit for the school, we haven't really applied for housing yet?


I don't think so. I'd think (hope) the two deposits are independent, at least for setting housing priority.


Oopsie doopsie--perhaps I should have waited to fork over my $500!

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:03 am
by General Tso
drdolittle wrote:
calgal17 wrote:Davis Grants Include:
Law School Grant
State UC Grant
U C Grant

I don't think Hastings offers the last 2. It wasn't an insult to Hastings, just something I noticed.


I, for one, didn't take it to be an insult to Hastings. Also, schools can call grants whatever they want, presumably.


I didn't take it as an insult either, I am just a little confused what you guys are talking about. Are you talking about the law school's funding, or are you talking about the financial aid grants that students receive? If you are saying there are 3 types of financial aid grants at Davis as opposed to only 1 type at Hastings I don't think that matters either, about 70-75% of students at each school receive grants.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:11 am
by calgal17
swheat wrote:
drdolittle wrote:
calgal17 wrote:Davis Grants Include:
Law School Grant
State UC Grant
U C Grant

I don't think Hastings offers the last 2. It wasn't an insult to Hastings, just something I noticed.


I, for one, didn't take it to be an insult to Hastings. Also, schools can call grants whatever they want, presumably.


I didn't take it as an insult either, I am just a little confused what you guys are talking about. Are you talking about the law school's funding, or are you talking about the financial aid grants that students receive? If you are saying there are 3 types of financial aid grants at Davis as opposed to only 1 type at Hastings I don't think that matters either, about 70-75% of students at each school receive grants.


I'm saying at least for me, the law school grant piece was pretty much the same amount for both schools, but Davis ended up being a bigger grant because of the other 2 components in addition, which are both UC grants. Therefore that's why the Davis grant was bigger for me. Maybe I'm saying it in a convoluted way, but I can't see an easier way of explaining it. I wasn't talking about the funding for each law school at all, just student financial aid.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:16 am
by General Tso
calgal17 wrote:I'm saying at least for me, the law school grant piece was pretty much the same amount for both schools, but Davis ended up being a bigger grant because of the other 2 components in addition, which are both UC grants. Therefore that's why the Davis grant was bigger for me. Maybe I'm saying it in a convoluted way, but I can't see an easier way of explaining it. I wasn't talking about the funding for each law school at all, just student financial aid.


Ah okay cool...if it is significantly cheaper I'd probably go to Davis if I were you. Hastings has some advantages but they don't outweigh a cheaper degree (and usually cheaper COL).

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:25 pm
by ozarkhack
swheat wrote:Ah okay cool...if it is significantly cheaper I'd probably go to Davis if I were you. Hastings has some advantages but they don't outweigh a cheaper degree (and usually cheaper COL).


One of those advantages could be Hastings' PICAP.

Over on the Davis thread I brought up the relative merits of Hastings' PICAP and Davis' LRAP. I've had my interpretation about Davis' LRAP confirmed (and explained in Davis thread, starting on this page). But, given that I'm a lowly WLer at Hastings, or whatever their reasons, they don't seem to care about my concerns/questions.

So ... can any of you Hastings admits/current students help me iron this out?

My reading is that Hastings' PICAP will, starting 2011, dovetail with IBR. Meaning that graduates in qualifying pi/govt employment will pay no more than 30% of their IBR-adjusted loan payment, and that percentage drops every year thereafter: If you make less than $50K, you're totally off the hook after 4-5 years, if you make $50K-$60K you're clear after 5-6, and if you make $60-$69K you're done after 6-7 years (well, still lots of paperwork to do until IBR wipes everything out in year 10, but no more payments!).

Is this accurate? And ... anybody know if qualified PICAP applicants get turned away for lack of funds??

Any help is appreciated. The difference between Hastings and Davis on this issue could mean a difference of $50,000 or more over 10 years, assuming all in PI/govt work -- which is the plan for me.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:56 pm
by Borhas
Is this accurate? And ... anybody know if qualified PICAP applicants get turned away for lack of funds??

Financial Aid rep at ASD said that's never happened before

and yeah Hastings awesome (on paper and as far as I can tell) LRAP is one of the main benefits of the school IMO

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 pm
by tommytahoe
Borhas wrote:
Is this accurate? And ... anybody know if qualified PICAP applicants get turned away for lack of funds??

Financial Aid rep at ASD said that's never happened before

and yeah Hastings awesome (on paper and as far as I can tell) LRAP is one of the main benefits of the school IMO

I don't think you get turned away, but I have heard that b/c the PICAP (like some other LRAPs) is dependent on the amount of funds, the $$ amount of loan forgiveness can get rationed to accommodate everyone.

They would know about that better than I, of course.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:39 pm
by ek319
Any idea how long it takes to hear back from the housing office after applying for the tower?

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:50 pm
by drdolittle
ek319 wrote:Any idea how long it takes to hear back from the housing office after applying for the tower?


Last I heard room assignments will be made end of April to early May.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:51 pm
by savesthedayajb
drdolittle wrote:
ek319 wrote:Any idea how long it takes to hear back from the housing office after applying for the tower?


Last I heard room assignments will be made end of April to early May.


If you didnt apply for Tower housing yet, is it pretty much impossible to get a room now?

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:55 pm
by drdolittle
savesthedayajb wrote:If you didnt apply for Tower housing yet, is it pretty much impossible to get a room now?


Don't know, just call them up to ask.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:57 pm
by savesthedayajb
Ill be visiting on Monday, so I'll see what they say then.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:57 pm
by missinglink
savesthedayajb wrote:
drdolittle wrote:
ek319 wrote:Any idea how long it takes to hear back from the housing office after applying for the tower?


Last I heard room assignments will be made end of April to early May.


If you didnt apply for Tower housing yet, is it pretty much impossible to get a room now?

I think I remember someone saying they've heard of people off the wait list who are still able to snag tower housing, so it seems like it might still be possible. As is obvious, you should just get your name down now and hope for the best.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:23 pm
by sophistry
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but what do people think of Hastings 2009 employment statistics?

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It appears that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the class reported. The average private sector salary was $135k.

Does anyone have a clue about what the median private sector salary was, including most/all of the remainder of the class? If not, what would you estimate it was (be reasonable)?

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:37 pm
by General Tso
sophistry wrote:Sorry if this has already been discussed, but what do people think of Hastings 2009 employment statistics?

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It appears that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the class reported. The average private sector salary was $135k.

Does anyone have a clue about what the median private sector salary was, including most/all of the remainder of the class? If not, what would you estimate it was (be reasonable)?


My guess is that only about 25% (at most...ITE it might be 15%) of the class is making 135k+. I would estimate the median at around 70-75k for private sector firms, where about 65% of Hastings students work. There is probably a pretty big range though...there are probably more than a handful making 80-90k.

It looks like the salary responses are way down from last year. I expect that means that salaries are way down from last year. Again, these are only my guesses, and keep in mind that this downward trend is true at almost all law schools in CA. At least Hastings is being honest about it. The same cannot be said of a few other CA schools (*cough Davis * cough Chapman). To be fair though those 2 schools reported 2008 stats to USNWR...it'll be interesting to see what they say in next year's USNWR.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:46 am
by drdolittle
Is the Hastings Grant (around $10K) as typical as the financial aid office suggests online and on that yellow/green insert they mailed & passed out on ASD?

I recently got my financial aid award from Hastings and I got no grants, just loans. I was definitely expecting the Hastings Grant though based on prior info.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:20 am
by a male human
drdolittle wrote:Is the Hastings Grant (around $10K) as typical as the financial aid office suggests online and on that yellow/green insert they mailed & passed out on ASD?

I recently got my financial aid award from Hastings and I got no grants, just loans. I was definitely expecting the Hastings Grant though based on prior info.

I thought I had a good chance for a grant as well. Got a big fat $0 because I shouldn't have saved up for my future.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:15 pm
by fiftyonefifty
For those of you applying for housing in the towers, what size rooms are you guys requesting? I would guess the majority is choosing between a efficiency and a studio.

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:40 am
by things fall apart
I went complete something like 2/20...still have not heard anything.

What/when should I expect?

Re: UC Hastings 2010!!!

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:17 am
by missinglink
things fall apart wrote:I went complete something like 2/20...still have not heard anything.

What/when should I expect?

I might send a polite email if I were you. But to be honest, Hastings hasn't accepted anyone in a while, from what I can tell. I would think you're looking at a wait list or ding.