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- crackberry
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I'll take your ambiguous response to be an affirmative. He was in my fraternity. Now let's edit our posts k?
Also, he's a huge douche.
Also, he's a huge douche.
- Kronk
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Yes, edit, and he is an enormous douche. Was a year above me in HS and I knew him very well. Ughhhhcrackberry wrote:edited Now let's edit our posts k?
Also, he's a huge douche.
- ConMan345
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That's fair, though that's still entitlement, just entitlement founded on ignorance. I can relate to the effect of not being surrounded by HYPS-bound peeps: I went to a very average high school and I really had no idea how smart people my age could be till I got here.tomhobbes wrote:I know where you're coming from, but it's not entitlement so much as it is ignorance. When you don't know anyone who's been to an elite school and you don't have any connections, sometimes you get all your information from well-intentioned but misinformed normal people. When you only know people who say "oh my god, you got above a 28?" you tend to get a skewed perception of how admissions works.ConMan345 wrote:
I've heard this same thing over and over. The admissions officers seem pretty weary, from what I've heard, of over-entitlement.
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FWIW, the guy who I think got his spot stolen by the aforementioned is now the valedictorian at Berkeley and still one of my best friends. I am convinced if you put him into any class in any school in the nation for his concentration (engineering) he would be valedictorian anywhere. Poor choice, Cardinal imo.
A similar situation--though not as black and white--happened the next year with an athlete that wasn't as much of a douche but still didn't deserve it nearly as much as another kid.
A similar situation--though not as black and white--happened the next year with an athlete that wasn't as much of a douche but still didn't deserve it nearly as much as another kid.
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I feel the need to weigh in here. I went to a very good prep school in NYC where half the class went to HYP and 3/4 of the class went to Ivies plus Stanford, Duke, Chicago, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and I am all too familiar with entitlement and the rich getting richer, etc.
That said, I worked my ass off in high school and did very well at Stanford and never assumed I could ever have anything handed to me. I never had "extra time" or whatever and didn't eat off a silver platter. I can understand where people are coming from, but in some respects, it's a little unfair to generalize.
That said, I worked my ass off in high school and did very well at Stanford and never assumed I could ever have anything handed to me. I never had "extra time" or whatever and didn't eat off a silver platter. I can understand where people are coming from, but in some respects, it's a little unfair to generalize.
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- Kronk
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I'd assume you were one of the 20% I referenced in point six, then.crackberry wrote:I feel the need to weigh in here. I went to a very good prep school in NYC where half the class went to HYP and 3/4 of the class went to Ivies plus Stanford, Duke, Chicago, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and I am all too familiar with entitlement and the rich getting richer, etc.
That said, I worked my ass off in high school and did very well at Stanford and never assumed I could ever have anything handed to me. I never had "extra time" or whatever and didn't eat off a silver platter. I can understand where people are coming from, but in some respects, it's a little unfair to generalize.
I didn't have a number for prep-school kids.
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I think there's a difference between expectation and entitlement, no matter how strong that expectation is. Entitlement involves arrogance and the feeling of deserving something. I think my brother expected to get into Stanford in the same way that I expect the sun to rise each day, although I don't feel entitled to have it rise.ConMan345 wrote:That's fair, though that's still entitlement, just entitlement founded on ignorance. I can relate to the effect of not being surrounded by HYPS-bound peeps: I went to a very average high school and I really had no idea how smart people my age could be till I got here.tomhobbes wrote:I know where you're coming from, but it's not entitlement so much as it is ignorance. When you don't know anyone who's been to an elite school and you don't have any connections, sometimes you get all your information from well-intentioned but misinformed normal people. When you only know people who say "oh my god, you got above a 28?" you tend to get a skewed perception of how admissions works.ConMan345 wrote:
I've heard this same thing over and over. The admissions officers seem pretty weary, from what I've heard, of over-entitlement.
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Yeah I mean I got out of NYC (and the East Coast) because I hate the atmosphere. I certainly wasn't stealing anyone's spot by being a decent baseball player who gets 1s on APs.Kronk wrote:I'd assume you were one of the 20% I referenced in point six, then.crackberry wrote:I feel the need to weigh in here. I went to a very good prep school in NYC where half the class went to HYP and 3/4 of the class went to Ivies plus Stanford, Duke, Chicago, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and I am all too familiar with entitlement and the rich getting richer, etc.
That said, I worked my ass off in high school and did very well at Stanford and never assumed I could ever have anything handed to me. I never had "extra time" or whatever and didn't eat off a silver platter. I can understand where people are coming from, but in some respects, it's a little unfair to generalize.
I didn't have a number for prep-school kids.
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I loved our Biology teacher when he told us that (because how else would we know?)crackberry wrote: Yeah I mean I got out of NYC (and the East Coast) because I hate the atmosphere. I certainly wasn't stealing anyone's spot by being a decent baseball player who gets 1s on APs.
"No one has EVER received a 1 on the AP Biology test after taking my class, except for one person, who was too busy thinking about how the sunlight would glimmer off of a baseball bat at Stanford."
- ConMan345
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Fair enough, though I use it in the broader sense of expectation, which is closer to the dictionary definition, not with any connotation of arrogance. I also think it's more often used in the context of receiving something, rather than something just happening (i.e. I expect the sun to rise, but I'm not really entitled to its rising).tomhobbes wrote:I think there's a difference between expectation and entitlement, no matter how strong that expectation is. Entitlement involves arrogance and the feeling of deserving something. I think my brother expected to get into Stanford in the same way that I expect the sun to rise each day, although I don't feel entitled to have it rise.ConMan345 wrote:That's fair, though that's still entitlement, just entitlement founded on ignorance. I can relate to the effect of not being surrounded by HYPS-bound peeps: I went to a very average high school and I really had no idea how smart people my age could be till I got here.tomhobbes wrote:I know where you're coming from, but it's not entitlement so much as it is ignorance. When you don't know anyone who's been to an elite school and you don't have any connections, sometimes you get all your information from well-intentioned but misinformed normal people. When you only know people who say "oh my god, you got above a 28?" you tend to get a skewed perception of how admissions works.ConMan345 wrote:
I've heard this same thing over and over. The admissions officers seem pretty weary, from what I've heard, of over-entitlement.
Really just semantics though...
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TBF, your Bio teacher should not be proud of having no one he's taught get a 1 on an AP test. Isn't that like an LSAT instructor proclaiming that none of his students has ever scored below a 130?Kronk wrote:I loved our Biology teacher when he told us that (because how else would we know?)crackberry wrote: Yeah I mean I got out of NYC (and the East Coast) because I hate the atmosphere. I certainly wasn't stealing anyone's spot by being a decent baseball player who gets 1s on APs.
"No one has EVER received a 1 on the AP Biology test after taking my class, except for one person, who was too busy thinking about how the sunlight would glimmer off of a baseball bat at Stanford."
- CardinalRules
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+1. I qualify for the unique summer stuff criterion / silver platter to some extent but don't think that it was a crucial factor in my admission.crackberry wrote:I feel the need to weigh in here. I went to a very good prep school in NYC where half the class went to HYP and 3/4 of the class went to Ivies plus Stanford, Duke, Chicago, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and I am all too familiar with entitlement and the rich getting richer, etc.
That said, I worked my ass off in high school and did very well at Stanford and never assumed I could ever have anything handed to me. I never had "extra time" or whatever and didn't eat off a silver platter. I can understand where people are coming from, but in some respects, it's a little unfair to generalize.
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I think it was more of girls being scared they would get a 1 and him reassuring them. But yeah, it's pretty absurd. I studied for class, but not for the AP test at all, and still got a 4. It was easy like matching animal sounds to their pictures in toddler's games.crackberry wrote:TBF, your Bio teacher should not be proud of having no one he's taught get a 1 on an AP test. Isn't that like an LSAT instructor proclaiming that none of his students has ever scored below a 130?Kronk wrote:I loved our Biology teacher when he told us that (because how else would we know?)crackberry wrote: Yeah I mean I got out of NYC (and the East Coast) because I hate the atmosphere. I certainly wasn't stealing anyone's spot by being a decent baseball player who gets 1s on APs.
"No one has EVER received a 1 on the AP Biology test after taking my class, except for one person, who was too busy thinking about how the sunlight would glimmer off of a baseball bat at Stanford."
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- tomhobbes
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Fair enough right back at you. But I'd imagine that if your admissions officers are complaining about over-entitlement, they're complaining about the type of entitlement that includes undue arrogance. I'd hold it against them if they were complaining about applicants who have the wrong expectations because of their poor upbringing.ConMan345 wrote:Fair enough, though I use it in the broader sense of expectation, which is closer to the dictionary definition, not with any connotation of arrogance. I also think it's more often used in the context of receiving something, rather than something just happening (i.e. I expect the sun to rise, but I'm not really entitled to its rising).tomhobbes wrote:I think there's a difference between expectation and entitlement, no matter how strong that expectation is. Entitlement involves arrogance and the feeling of deserving something. I think my brother expected to get into Stanford in the same way that I expect the sun to rise each day, although I don't feel entitled to have it rise.ConMan345 wrote:That's fair, though that's still entitlement, just entitlement founded on ignorance. I can relate to the effect of not being surrounded by HYPS-bound peeps: I went to a very average high school and I really had no idea how smart people my age could be till I got here.tomhobbes wrote: I know where you're coming from, but it's not entitlement so much as it is ignorance. When you don't know anyone who's been to an elite school and you don't have any connections, sometimes you get all your information from well-intentioned but misinformed normal people. When you only know people who say "oh my god, you got above a 28?" you tend to get a skewed perception of how admissions works.
Really just semantics though...
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Hey TH, when did you submit to Yale?
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ITT: We discuss whatever Yale-related material we would rather not have Asha read in the Yale thread.crackberry wrote:Hey TH, when did you submit to Yale?
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To everyone that got accepted: CONGRATS!
Quick question for any applicant: did they notify you when your application was complete? I received an "Application Received" email 1/25, but nothing since. Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!
Quick question for any applicant: did they notify you when your application was complete? I received an "Application Received" email 1/25, but nothing since. Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!
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- crackberry
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They notify some but not others. No rhyme or reason apparently.the_rad_trad wrote:To everyone that got accepted: CONGRATS!
Quick question for any applicant: did they notify you when your application was complete? I received an "Application Received" email 1/25, but nothing since. Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!
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Also there was a lot of growth in this thread given that there was only one new admit today. Maybe tomorrow will bring some more calls.CardinalRules wrote:ITT: We discuss whatever Yale-related material we would rather not have Asha read in the Yale thread.crackberry wrote:Hey TH, when did you submit to Yale?
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crackberry wrote:They notify some but not others. No rhyme or reason apparently.the_rad_trad wrote:To everyone that got accepted: CONGRATS!
Quick question for any applicant: did they notify you when your application was complete? I received an "Application Received" email 1/25, but nothing since. Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!
Thanks for letting me know
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I submitted to Yale on 1/31, app received on 2/2, and I went complete on 2/23.crackberry wrote:Also there was a lot of growth in this thread given that there was only one new admit today. Maybe tomorrow will bring some more calls.CardinalRules wrote:ITT: We discuss whatever Yale-related material we would rather not have Asha read in the Yale thread.crackberry wrote:Hey TH, when did you submit to Yale?
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I figured I'd make it official here first. If I don't get into Yale, I'm going to SLS. If I get into Yale, it's 50/50. No other school now matters.
Sort of freeing to have made that decision
Sort of freeing to have made that decision
- CardinalRules
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Congrats on making life so easy for yourself. I envy you.Kretzy wrote:I figured I'd make it official here first. If I don't get into Yale, I'm going to SLS. If I get into Yale, it's 50/50. No other school now matters.
Sort of freeing to have made that decision
Didn't you say that Chicago had a shot?
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I did say that. It's no longer true, having spent today soul-searching. Chicago's lack of a sexuality-gender scholar (or any real sexual orientation/law scholarship) and mediocre LRAP did it in.CardinalRules wrote:Congrats on making life so easy for yourself. I envy you.Kretzy wrote:I figured I'd make it official here first. If I don't get into Yale, I'm going to SLS. If I get into Yale, it's 50/50. No other school now matters.
Sort of freeing to have made that decision
Didn't you say that Chicago had a shot?
- ConMan345
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I agree completely.tomhobbes wrote: Fair enough right back at you. But I'd imagine that if your admissions officers are complaining about over-entitlement, they're complaining about the type of entitlement that includes undue arrogance. I'd hold it against them if they were complaining about applicants who have the wrong expectations because of their poor upbringing.
To crack and managamymaanynam or whatever, aren't you guys weary of staying at Stanford for 7-9 years??? What are your thoughts on this, as it's weighing on my mind? (I'd be here for eight)
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