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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:59 pm

renee15 wrote:
inSouthAmerica wrote:why all the love for villanova... overpriced...
just like north jersey would be newark or bust for me...
philly would be rutgers-c/temple (depending on residency) or bust for me...
i got into all three, looked at them all hard. just dont see it.


I got into Villanova and I am choosing Rutgers...I liked Philly...don't get me wrong...but Villanova is overpriced..and I would prefer North Jersey/NYC (I did not apply to RU-C).


Nice way of saying philly blows. JK. I'm only mostly joking when I say philly blows, but DEF agree that North Jersey/ NYC is "preferable."

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:01 pm

hey say what you want about philly, but i did my undergrad in boston and ...

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:04 pm

inSouthAmerica wrote:hey say what you want about philly, but i did my undergrad in boston and ...


Haha Say no more. You know Mr. PCV. I've noticed how PC you are. Very congenial, yet I know there are opinions behind that mind of yours. I can see them in your ellipses.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:10 pm

*edited. dunno what i meant by this before.
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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby renee15 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:13 pm

bernie shmegma wrote:
renee15 wrote:
inSouthAmerica wrote:why all the love for villanova... overpriced...
just like north jersey would be newark or bust for me...
philly would be rutgers-c/temple (depending on residency) or bust for me...
i got into all three, looked at them all hard. just dont see it.


I got into Villanova and I am choosing Rutgers...I liked Philly...don't get me wrong...but Villanova is overpriced..and I would prefer North Jersey/NYC (I did not apply to RU-C).


Nice way of saying philly blows. JK. I'm only mostly joking when I say philly blows, but DEF agree that North Jersey/ NYC is "preferable."


Oh no way.. Philly doesn't blow...I liked it when I visited...I thought it was a cool city...or else I wouldn't have applied to Villanova and Temple (I originally did not plan on it)....But I still would prefer northern Jersey/NYC...you just can't beat being close to NYC...plus my boyfriend already has a job there so it makes things A LOT easier.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby renee15 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:15 pm

inSouthAmerica wrote:hey say what you want about philly, but i did my undergrad in boston and ...


hehe I had no intention of going to school in Boston really (I live in MA)...no good options of a good school for cheap and I live too far away from Boston to save money by living at home. Boston is an OK city...nothing to go crazy about...
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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby MIA » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:17 pm

BBQ: I have not heard about any BBQ on April 17th. That doesn't mean there isn't one. I have just been busy writing my LRW paper lately. I recommend you guys try to set something up to meet a day or two before orientation through your facebook group. Its nice going into orientation already knowing some people. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=inf ... 6588982164

Crime: Safety in Newark has been substantially getting better since Corey Booker became major a few years ago. Nonetheless, do remember that campus is like its own town in itself - its actually nice and there are substantially more cops and foot patrols at campus. There isn't a safety issue on campus, and I don't even remember that I'm in Newark until I travel outside of campus. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=7361504

For those of you still waiting for responses, remember that after today's deposit deadline more decisions should be made. And even more decisions should be made after April 15's deadline.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:26 pm

@bernie shmegma - i have 0 stress in my life right now. when your biggest worry is avoiding food poisoning and trying to get a good prices on native rainforest guides to hire, its way easier to be congenial! but thank you for the complement.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:32 pm

@renee15 - could you imagine being say a prosecutor in massachusetts and dealing with their redneck cops? it would drive me NUTS. unless i'm unlucky and you're a cop's daughter in which case i'm totally kidding.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby renee15 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:05 am

inSouthAmerica wrote:@renee15 - could you imagine being say a prosecutor in massachusetts and dealing with their redneck cops? it would drive me NUTS. unless i'm unlucky and you're a cop's daughter in which case i'm totally kidding.


HAHAHA absolutely not. (Not a cop's daughter). Although I will probably take the bar here in addition to NY/NJ just in case (I say that now, but we will see when the time comes :) ), I don't think I would want to practice here too much. I know exactly when you mean.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby LayingDownDaLaw » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:55 am

How many other people out there have not heard from Rutgers? Just wondering on stats too, so we can "compare notes".

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bjf » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:38 am

^
Me, unfortunately. : (

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:58 pm

bernie shmegma wrote:
MIA wrote:For those of you planning to live on campus, make sure that you request "University Square" over "Talbott." You'll thank me later.


Do you hear a lot of people complain about traffic on the way to school in the morning on TPK from south, 78 from west, 280 from west respectively? Do a lot of students REALLY regret not living in Newark, or specifically living in the suburbs? I'm really asking aside from the usual complaints about parking filling up and a moderate amount of traffic.

How late does the school stay open or can students have access to the library say if one wanted to go to the newark gym, shower up obv, and go back and study until pretty late before commuting back home (this requires living out of a car and school locker (is that even feasible too?). This is highly unlikely to actually happen, but I'm telling myself some sort of variation of this should be my routine and I want to know if its even possible by some miracle I stay disciplined.

Thanks in advance.


I don't know anyone that regrets NOT living in Newark, myself included. I don't live west of the campus, but as a general matter I have never once wished that I lived in Newark. The commuters I know all like living where they are, no matter where that may be.
As far a parking if you want to park in the deck directly behind the law school you HAVE to get there by 9 (maybe 9:30 at the latest) But that deck is 3 levels of restricted/reserved parking so there's not a lot of room for commuters. But the deck on Washington down just a block from the law school near where the Light Rail stop is will have ample parking untl about 11:30-noon or later. As a 1L you will likely have Friday classes, and parking is usually a breeze on Friday since nobody else has class.
The school is open all the time. After hours you need to swipe your ID to get in, but the Library closes ~3am; also it doesn't open until ~11 or 12 on weekends. I can't remember the exactly but it's something like that. If you're just talking about leaving the school in the evening, going to the gym, and going back to study you should have no problems, that's the schedule for many students.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:59 pm

bernie shmegma wrote:How could that be? You MUST pay for RU health insurance plan?


The health insurance is optional IF you can prove that you have some other coverage. If you are on a parent or spouses insurance this should suffice.
It gets paid as a fee w/ your tuition but you can get it refunded with proof.
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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:08 pm

wizoz wrote:Do we get to choose which class start time we want? I was reading that there's a 8:30 am - 4ish pm track and then a 9:30 - 5ish.

Also, re: health care...I really hope we don't have to pay for the RU-N plan. Does any1 know if the new bill allows for married individuals to go on their parent's plan? My mother pays no premium so to add me to hers would be completely free whereas if I go under my husband's it'll cost $.



You will receive an email from Dean Walton this spring/early summer asking you which Track you would like to be in, early or late
Early track WILL start at 8:30
Late track WILL start at 9:55

Early track WILL NOT have class after 3:30 on any day
Late track is supposed to have class until after early track. Last semester late track got out before early track except for a couple of days a week, and late track had their Friday classes cancelled.
However, it's important to note, that is not the norm. The ABA requires school hold class on Friday, so Rutgers makes their 1L's have Friday class. No upperclassmen ever have class on Friday. However, it is up to individual professors to increase the amount of time they meet M-F. So a professor could choose to meet longer two days a week, rather than meet for a shorter time and have to meet more often. There is no guarantee which tracks will have which professors, and which professors will cancel Friday classes. Although, if you have a tenured prof. that also teaches upperclassmen it is much more likely that prof will not want to have Friday class

Track selection is first come first served. Early track tends to fill up quickly, so if you want it you better send in your request sooner. Commuters are also given a preference over people that live on campus. I think more people ended up in the late track that wanted early track, than the other way around.
This semester all 1L's start at the same time, but due to various electives people get out at different time throughout the week.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:36 pm

For those of of you in the Newark Area, and those of you that want to see some real-life lawyering and activities the law school holds. Here is an email sent out by the Dean. If you want to attend you will need to bring identification and sign in as a guest at the front desk. Since the school just implemented new security measures I don't imagine that you should need to have an "appointment" specifically, or be escorted into the building in order to gain access to this particular event.
I left out a paragraph of the Dean's email because it basically blasts the student for being a bunch of lazy bums that won't go and see a real trial, but will pay for commercial study aids. Oddly enough, this particular event (as most do) beings at the EXACT same time as our Constitutional law class, and since all 1L's have class at the same time it would make sense that none of us show up. But you guys should go!

On Tuesday, April 13th, the New Jersey Appellate Division will for the
last time this academic year will hear oral arguments in our building. The
arguments begin at 10 am, and will take place in the Baker Trial
Courtroom (Room 125). All students should try and watch these arguments,
but especially first years should take advantage of this timely
opportunity to see how it is done by the pros, just before you must do
it yourself in LRW.

Anyway, it is out there for you if you want it. If you do plan to
attend all or some of the arguments, be respectful and discreet. Do not
make unnecessary noise entering or exiting or otherwise in the
courtroom, or bring your breakfast or lunch in with you. I recommend
sitting as far around the sides as you can, so you have the best vantage
point for viewing the lawyers arguing.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Abrikos » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:05 pm

Rutgers1L_10 wrote:For those of of you in the Newark Area, and those of you that want to see some real-life lawyering and activities the law school holds. Here is an email sent out by the Dean. If you want to attend you will need to bring identification and sign in as a guest at the front desk. Since the school just implemented new security measures I don't imagine that you should need to have an "appointment" specifically, or be escorted into the building in order to gain access to this particular event.
I left out a paragraph of the Dean's email because it basically blasts the student for being a bunch of lazy bums that won't go and see a real trial, but will pay for commercial study aids. Oddly enough, this particular event (as most do) beings at the EXACT same time as our Constitutional law class, and since all 1L's have class at the same time it would make sense that none of us show up. But you guys should go!

On Tuesday, April 13th, the New Jersey Appellate Division will for the
last time this academic year will hear oral arguments in our building. The
arguments begin at 10 am, and will take place in the Baker Trial
Courtroom (Room 125). All students should try and watch these arguments,
but especially first years should take advantage of this timely
opportunity to see how it is done by the pros, just before you must do
it yourself in LRW.

Anyway, it is out there for you if you want it. If you do plan to
attend all or some of the arguments, be respectful and discreet. Do not
make unnecessary noise entering or exiting or otherwise in the
courtroom, or bring your breakfast or lunch in with you. I recommend
sitting as far around the sides as you can, so you have the best vantage
point for viewing the lawyers arguing.



Thank you! I just want you to know that I appreciate very much your efforts to share information with us. Do we have to RSVP for this event?

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:59 pm

Rutgers1L_10 wrote:
bernie shmegma wrote:
MIA wrote:For those of you planning to live on campus, make sure that you request "University Square" over "Talbott." You'll thank me later.


Do you hear a lot of people complain about traffic on the way to school in the morning on TPK from south, 78 from west, 280 from west respectively? Do a lot of students REALLY regret not living in Newark, or specifically living in the suburbs? I'm really asking aside from the usual complaints about parking filling up and a moderate amount of traffic.

How late does the school stay open or can students have access to the library say if one wanted to go to the newark gym, shower up obv, and go back and study until pretty late before commuting back home (this requires living out of a car and school locker (is that even feasible too?). This is highly unlikely to actually happen, but I'm telling myself some sort of variation of this should be my routine and I want to know if its even possible by some miracle I stay disciplined.

Thanks in advance.


I don't know anyone that regrets NOT living in Newark, myself included. I don't live west of the campus, but as a general matter I have never once wished that I lived in Newark. The commuters I know all like living where they are, no matter where that may be.
As far a parking if you want to park in the deck directly behind the law school you HAVE to get there by 9 (maybe 9:30 at the latest) But that deck is 3 levels of restricted/reserved parking so there's not a lot of room for commuters. But the deck on Washington down just a block from the law school near where the Light Rail stop is will have ample parking untl about 11:30-noon or later. As a 1L you will likely have Friday classes, and parking is usually a breeze on Friday since nobody else has class.
The school is open all the time. After hours you need to swipe your ID to get in, but the Library closes ~3am; also it doesn't open until ~11 or 12 on weekends. I can't remember the exactly but it's something like that. If you're just talking about leaving the school in the evening, going to the gym, and going back to study you should have no problems, that's the schedule for many students.



As always, Thank you for responding to the previous questions. As all of your responses have been, I find them consistently useful for my own reference. I would imagine it will help many TLSers now and in the future. I apologize in advance, for I am about to get specific and slightly ahead of myself now, but I feel I should ask these things.

Just out of curiosity if you don't mind me asking: Where are you living? South towards RU main campus or East toward NY? How long does the commute take you? Would you say a 45 minute drive/NJ transit to light rail commute is too long to manage for law school? Do you leave your stuff at school in the lockers or do you find you have to take everything back and forth because of your commute? I wonder when the earliest time to request our schedule track is, where we locate the necessary forms, and if they divulge who the professors will be for each track when signing up?

Last and final question of this series (a bit random). Have you heard of anyone's experience or personally been to an alumni event/fundraiser as a current student? How does the school do with hooking law students up with Alumni in areas of practice of interest, whether to talk about their career, just make a contact, or to actually try to get a job or externship?

Thanks again.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:13 am

Tracking takes place in the summer. Nevermind that one.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:47 pm

bernie shmegma wrote:
As always, Thank you for responding to the previous questions. As all of your responses have been, I find them consistently useful for my own reference. I would imagine it will help many TLSers now and in the future. I apologize in advance, for I am about to get specific and slightly ahead of myself now, but I feel I should ask these things.

Just out of curiosity if you don't mind me asking: Where are you living? South towards RU main campus or East toward NY? How long does the commute take you? Would you say a 45 minute drive/NJ transit to light rail commute is too long to manage for law school? Do you leave your stuff at school in the lockers or do you find you have to take everything back and forth because of your commute? I wonder when the earliest time to request our schedule track is, where we locate the necessary forms, and if they divulge who the professors will be for each track when signing up?

Last and final question of this series (a bit random). Have you heard of anyone's experience or personally been to an alumni event/fundraiser as a current student? How does the school do with hooking law students up with Alumni in areas of practice of interest, whether to talk about their career, just make a contact, or to actually try to get a job or externship?

Thanks again.



@Abrikos--No RSVP necessary to watch the appellate arguments.

@bernie--the pics you posted of the school were pretty good. I've never been in any other RU building, aside from occasional visits the Robeson center to go to Starbucks, and Blumenthal hall for parking/registrar services.

I live east of the school right by NYC. If I drive my commute in the morning is 25-30 min and that includes a bit morning rush hour right at the Newark exit and right around the campus.
If I take train it's pretty much the same 20 min to Newark Penn stat, 5 min on the LIght rail and a 2 minute walk (or a 10 min walk from Newark Penn stat to the school)

I can't say for sure how much is too much of a commute for you. It really depends on the type of person you are. If you are not a good manager of time, and procrastinate you may want to choose to live closer. If you plan on doing all of your studying at the school you may want to consider living closer. If you're the type that can leave school and either finish all of your work before you leave, or you have the discipline to do your work at home then the commute may not bother you. I do know a few people that live further out in the suburbs and have a 30-45 min commute, and I know people that live in burroughs of NYC that give them a 40+ min commute. I think your personal style will help you make the best decision. You know yourself, and you know if you are going to get yourself up and going and be in class on time, everyday.

First semester you will have 4 text books not including LRW books, and any supplements required for your classes. You will most likely end up keeping your books in your locker, except to take them home. The books are fairly large, and heavy so carrying all of them home is not an easy task. Most people figured out a way to study a bit after class so they could leave 1 or 2 books in the locker, and then maybe take 1 or 2 books home. Again, you'll have to figure out a plan for carrying your books back and forth but the locker is nice to have because during the day you have somewhere to drop your stuff off so you don't have to lug it around during lunch, or if you go to the gym, or if you just want to take a load off.

You'll get your track sign up soon. It will only let you request early or late tracks. Early track is I,II, III and Late track is IV, V, VI. You won't get to pick your specific track just early/late. After you are assigned a track you will get the information with your track and your section. The tracks are about 30 people and are further divided into sections of about 15 people. so Track I will have secitions 1 and 2 all the way down to Track VI that has sections 11 and 12. The tracks will determine which professors you have for Torts, Crim, Contracts, Property, the section will determine which professor you have for LRW. Your section of 30 will also be together for a "small section" class, meaning one of your substantive classes will only have 30 people. The other 3 classes can have 60-90. So everyone in Track I will have all the same professors, but half of your track will have one LRW prof and half of you will have another LRW prof. Tracks can also be combined in groups of 2 or 3 for your substantive classes. None of this really matter because it's all out of your control, and it makes very little sense until you show up for class and figure it out.

Personally, I have more "mentors" and "buddies" and law pals then I can manage. Every week I'm getting an email from some other legal professional, or from some group that I signed up for fall semester asking me about classes, asking if I want to go to lunch, and talking about summer jobs. There is no shortage of mentors at Rutgers. I am shocked at the number of 1Ls that don't take part in some of the mentorship opportunities offered. I think people don't realize the value. For every student group on campus there is an associated legal professional/alumni/networking opportunity that goes with it. During the fall there will be a different student group meeting every week. I encourage you to attend as many as possible (eat their free food, drink their free booze) but sign up with a mentor. Also don't underestimate the importance of hooking up with a 2L and 3L. They can give you lots of tips on classes, professors, offer outlines,study advice, job search and course options.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:02 am

Also don't underestimate the importance of hooking up with a 2L and 3L.


So I shouldn't limit my hooking up to 1Ls? ;) :lol:.

Haha Rutgers_1L, though, seriously, you have the best.advice.ever. Thank you so much for all of the info as always.

BTW, I'm pretty close to sending the seat deposit. My Camden deposit isn't due until 5/1 anyway, so I can buy more time and it's only $300.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:10 am

Thought I would share this article on law school clinics with you guys.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/us/04 ... d=1&ref=us

One of the cases mentioned will be one of the cases heard at the school next week.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby Rutgers1L_10 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:12 am

keg411 wrote:
Also don't underestimate the importance of hooking up with a 2L and 3L.


So I shouldn't limit my hooking up to 1Ls? ;) :lol:.

Haha Rutgers_1L, though, seriously, you have the best.advice.ever. Thank you so much for all of the info as always.

BTW, I'm pretty close to sending the seat deposit. My Camden deposit isn't due until 5/1 anyway, so I can buy more time and it's only $300.


You know... I started to to go back and edit that one, but I just left it. It was almost too easy, right?

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby get it to x » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:22 am

Rutgers 1_L you really give some great advice. Thanks for your contribution. I've been looking at the course load at Rutgers vs. other schools and it seems that it slips in a 5th course to the Fall semester with a much "lighter" load 2 core classes, LRW, and 1 elective in the Spring. Does the addition of a 4th core class really make the Fall very difficult or is it that those courses are a bit easier to tackle than Civ Pro and Conlaw so they'd rather have you do more "simpler" courses in the Fall?

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:17 pm

get it to x wrote:Rutgers 1_L you really give some great advice. Thanks for your contribution. I've been looking at the course load at Rutgers vs. other schools and it seems that it slips in a 5th course to the Fall semester with a much "lighter" load 2 core classes, LRW, and 1 elective in the Spring. Does the addition of a 4th core class really make the Fall very difficult or is it that those courses are a bit easier to tackle than Civ Pro and Conlaw so they'd rather have you do more "simpler" courses in the Fall?


I'm not Rutgers_1L, but everything that I've heard is that they make fall semester a ton of work and very difficult. They want a heavy course load first semester (they also do that so they can offer an elective second semester 1L year which is rare for most schools).




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