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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby wizoz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:45 am

TUhustler wrote:
wizoz wrote:@ TUhustler - speak only when spoken to.


Don't be a douche and people won't be a douche back.


Huh? I was just providing info on what is required. I could get into a discussion about who was really a douche but it's unnecessary. I think our whole discussion was unnecessary. So, I'm done. Good luck to you.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby kasparov » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:57 am

Wow. The Scholarship Student Reception is at Lowenstein Sandler in Roseland. That is pretty sweet. I'm in considering I work in Roseland and Lowenstein is the object of many a NJ law students desires. Hope to see a few of you there.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby wizoz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:33 am

kasparov wrote:Wow. The Scholarship Student Reception is at Lowenstein Sandler in Roseland. That is pretty sweet. I'm in considering I work in Roseland and Lowenstein is the object of many a NJ law students desires. Hope to see a few of you there.


That's perfect for you then. Are you f/t or p/t?

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby audrey hepburn » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:34 am

badpixie wrote:I will probably attend - FT as well.

Now begins the dreaded "what the he'll should I wear??" dilemma.


So what should we wear? Do you think dress pants paired with a nice shirt should be okay? are most women planning on wearing dresses/skirts or pants?

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby kasparov » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:34 am

Full timer. I will be business casual since I will be going after work. Jacket, button down, slacks, no tie.
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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby audrey hepburn » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:35 am

Rutgers1L_10 wrote:
audrey hepburn wrote:Hi,

This is a question for current Rutgers students or anyone else that may now. I was wondering, do you know if your classmates are having a hard time finding 1L or 2L internships/jobs? Also, are a lot of 3Ls having a hard time finding a job?

Thanks


I did answer this question a while back, but I couldn't tell you where so I'll sum it up a bit.
1Ls are doing just fine getting summer jobs. But that doesn't mean anything. Getting a 1L job is not indicative of your chances at getting a 2L or a full time job (for the most part). Obviously if you have impeccable 1L grades and got a fellowship or some type of a 1L job that comes with a 2L stipend or offer to return as a 2L that's a big deal. But those are so few and far between the numbers are microscopic.
A few 1Ls have been able to get paid jobs with firms, and corporations. However, many 1Ls are taking this summer to do something for the experience or to dabble in something they otherwise wouldn't. A lot of people are doing really great clerkships, which is just something you want to have one your resume at some point. There are also some great gov't jobs and public interest jobs people are doing (US Atty's office, Atty General, Human Rights Division etc.)

3Ls that I know seem to be about 50/50. Many have firm jobs or clerkships. And I'm not sure where people get the idea that Rutgers (or any school for that matter) pads it's clerkship stats with so called traffic court or night court clerkships but that's just nonsense. When the school is talking clerskships they're talking NJ Supreme court, Appellate Division, Criminal Division, NY Court Systems (Family, Criminal, Appeals). The kind of clerkships you want on your resume, the kind that lead to great jobs after your clerkship year. But there are 3Ls that still have not secured jobs. They had 1L and 2L jobs. A lot of the 3Ls that worked for firms as 2L assumed they would get hired, but just haven't heard anything. But it's usually because the firm has not extended offers to anyone from that summer associate class, which means they're probably still waiting to see what the job market looks like. Firms have been waiting much longer to extend full time offers so unfortunately the waiting game is typical.

2Ls tend to lock up a jobs a little better. A lot of them did OCI, but many people gets jobs outside of OCI. I know as prospective students your main focus, and main source of information for jobs tends to circulate around the OCI program, but it's not this magical place where law firms swoop down and pick up 2Ls and carry them off to the top floor of high rise building and pay them lots of money. Unfortunately it's a little less awesome than that! According to career services OCI is "less-robust" than it has been in the past but apparently it's picking up. That's probably why they told someone that the outlook for the c/o 2013 will look a little better than the c/o 2010 (not that it takes a rocket scientist to make that kind of prediction). The thing about OCI is that it's just one way to get a job and you should use it as one source not necessarily as the end all be all to employment. Obviously most employers at OCI will be looking primarily for 2Ls (with good grades and a good resume) so it's a great opportunity to get a job, but there are ways to get jobs outside of OCI.

So overall, I would say people are doing okay.


Thank you so much for this information. I tried finding it before posting the question but couldn't find it
mia_p wrote:They turned down my application to participate in the MSP... :cry:
I was really counting on its support and I'm really concerned that I'm missing out on a lot... :(
Dean Walton told me that there is an academic support program available to everyone in the first year class.
Could anybody tell me what kind of academic support I could expect from this academic support program? How does it work? Do I need to sign up?


they turned down my msp application too

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:36 am

audrey hepburn wrote:
badpixie wrote:I will probably attend - FT as well.

Now begins the dreaded "what the he'll should I wear??" dilemma.


So what should we wear? Do you think dress pants paired with a nice shirt should be okay? are most women planning on wearing dresses/skirts or pants?


If I decide not to withdraw before the reception ( :? ), I'll probably wear a skirt and a nice top (because if there's one thing I took about from my business class back in school it was women = skirts), but I think dress pants are likely fine. Just look "together" and "professional" without going overboard.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby wizoz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:52 am

kasparov wrote:Full timer. I will be business casual since I will be going after work. Jacket, button down, slacks, no tie.


Very cool; I'm looking forward to meeting you and all my classmates :).

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby wizoz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:53 am

keg411 wrote:
audrey hepburn wrote:
badpixie wrote:I will probably attend - FT as well.

Now begins the dreaded "what the he'll should I wear??" dilemma.


So what should we wear? Do you think dress pants paired with a nice shirt should be okay? are most women planning on wearing dresses/skirts or pants?


If I decide not to withdraw before the reception ( :? ), I'll probably wear a skirt and a nice top (because if there's one thing I took about from my business class back in school it was women = skirts), but I think dress pants are likely fine. Just look "together" and "professional" without going overboard.


@ keg411- are you sure you don't wanna enroll? lol you seem to like the ru-n events. :)

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:46 am

so after hijacking Seton Hall's thread for a little bit, its pretty clear that some of us like discussing Jersey politics and the future of NJ governance. If that sounds like you, please join us at this thread i created viewtopic.php?f=10&t=115923. it is my hope that there Rutgers-N, Rutgers-C, and Seton Hall students can engage in productive polite political discourse concerning the future of a state we are all about to invest a lot of time in. if thats not you, thats cool too.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:15 am

audrey hepburn wrote:
badpixie wrote:I will probably attend - FT as well.

Now begins the dreaded "what the he'll should I wear??" dilemma.


So what should we wear? Do you think dress pants paired with a nice shirt should be okay? are most women planning on wearing dresses/skirts or pants?


Go with the classy black skirt and white button down shirt. Hair up, glasses, blacks high heels (stockings if you're pale) pearlish stud earings and necklace. Doesn't have to be exact, but you get where I'm going.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby inSouthAmerica » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:28 am

lol. creepy.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:20 pm

wizoz wrote:
keg411 wrote:
audrey hepburn wrote:
badpixie wrote:I will probably attend - FT as well.

Now begins the dreaded "what the he'll should I wear??" dilemma.


So what should we wear? Do you think dress pants paired with a nice shirt should be okay? are most women planning on wearing dresses/skirts or pants?


If I decide not to withdraw before the reception ( :? ), I'll probably wear a skirt and a nice top (because if there's one thing I took about from my business class back in school it was women = skirts), but I think dress pants are likely fine. Just look "together" and "professional" without going overboard.


@ keg411- are you sure you don't wanna enroll? lol you seem to like the ru-n events. :)


I do like the events and I like the school as well... but I think it's healthier for me to get out of North Jersey for a bit. It's been stifiling me since I've gotten back here after college. But I really really like Lowenstein-Sandler as a firm, so having an invite is way too tempting. I haven't withdrawn yet, just in case something happens in the next month or so that forces me to change my mind and I don't want to lose the spot just in case (sorry to people on the WL!).

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby LayingDownDaLaw » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:25 pm

I do like the events and I like the school as well... but I think it's healthier for me to get out of North Jersey for a bit. It's been stifiling me since I've gotten back here after college. But I really really like Lowenstein-Sandler as a firm, so having an invite is way too tempting. I haven't withdrawn yet, just in case something happens in the next month or so that forces me to change my mind and I don't want to lose the spot just in case (sorry to people on the WL!).


Great ethics...

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby senunit » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:12 pm

bernie shmegma wrote:
senunit wrote:(I apologize in advance for the length of my post.)

Hi all. Sorry to deviate from the current topics at hand, but I am on the verge of going completely crazy attempting to get off the wait list into R-N. I felt as though my numbers were pretty legit to begin with and after being held in January, I was later wait listed (this month) after waiting 4 months for a decision. Its been a tough cycle, but I know this to be the case for many so I'm not hear to whine. I just really want to hear if any of you have had any success in getting in off the wait list this cycle. If so and you don't mind, please shed some light on the issue as it may help assist me and I desperately want to attend this coming fall.

So far I've sent ~3-4 LOCI's emphasizing my interest, willingness to attend, and new job. I have spoken with Dean Anita Walton on the issue several times, but aside from another (3rd!!!) LSAT, I can't seem to figure out what else needs to be done. I know sitting around and letting everything fall into place can't possibly be right. At the same time, the June LSAT may not come as the resolution as those results will come very late in the cycle, and whose to say I will go up in score with less than 6 weeks left to study.

I've looked through this thread and haven't been able to come across an answer to my Q, but that's most likely due to the fact that its a pretty massive thread and I may have skipped over it. Sorry if this is redundant but I really need your help. I thought that this may serve me a lot better than positing a separate topic that may be overlooked. You guys know what you're doing as many of you have already been accepted.

Thank you in advance.


I think that can be right. You've done just about everything + some. I would reach into you network if you're DESPERATE and find someone who knows someone who knows someone very important to RU specifically to make a call or write a letter on your behalf. Other than that, all you can do is sit back and wait. If you can't stomach that option than I would spend my time hustling the connections. 6 degrees has gotta start with someone you know. Don't act desperate though. If the opportunity ever does arise. Work hard on your persuasive writing. Best of luck to you.


Thanks a lot for the reassurance. Unfortunately dont have a network that goes into Jersey as I am from NY. Regardless, its nice to know I've done whats expected of me and Im not missing anything.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:23 pm

LayingDownDaLaw wrote:
I do like the events and I like the school as well... but I think it's healthier for me to get out of North Jersey for a bit. It's been stifiling me since I've gotten back here after college. But I really really like Lowenstein-Sandler as a firm, so having an invite is way too tempting. I haven't withdrawn yet, just in case something happens in the next month or so that forces me to change my mind and I don't want to lose the spot just in case (sorry to people on the WL!).


Great ethics...


Like I said earlier, I feel ookie about it and probably won't go. I was just thinking out loud. Sorry to offend.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby amclane » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:39 pm

keg411 wrote:
LayingDownDaLaw wrote:
I do like the events and I like the school as well... but I think it's healthier for me to get out of North Jersey for a bit. It's been stifiling me since I've gotten back here after college. But I really really like Lowenstein-Sandler as a firm, so having an invite is way too tempting. I haven't withdrawn yet, just in case something happens in the next month or so that forces me to change my mind and I don't want to lose the spot just in case (sorry to people on the WL!).


Great ethics...


Like I said earlier, I feel ookie about it and probably won't go. I was just thinking out loud. Sorry to offend.


You have every right to attend events, and to hold on to your seat until you absolutley 100% sure you aren't going... even if you aren't sure until the first day of class somewhere else. Don't feel ookie!

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby LayingDownDaLaw » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:49 pm

You have every right to attend events, and to hold on to your seat until you absolutley 100% sure you aren't going... even if you aren't sure until the first day of class somewhere else. Don't feel ookie!


Please...just because you have the "right" to do something, does that mean you are justified to do it? If you are 99.9% sure you are not going to attend Rutgers-Newark, and you hold on to the seat for the .1% chance happening, that is clearly not ethical. You are robbing someone else of an opportunity to go to the school and also, misrepresenting yourself to Rutgers.

I wonder why people hate Wall Street'ers and lawyers. Can't play an honest game...always looking to eke out the edge and be manipulative through sleazy tactics. And, you know there is something wrong with what you're doing. That's why you don't want to go to the Rutgers event. Either you don't want to fully admit it to yourself or you don't care.
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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby TUhustler » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:53 pm

wizoz wrote:
TUhustler wrote:
wizoz wrote:@ TUhustler - speak only when spoken to.


Don't be a douche and people won't be a douche back.


Huh? I was just providing info on what is required. I could get into a discussion about who was really a douche but it's unnecessary. I think our whole discussion was unnecessary. So, I'm done. Good luck to you.


Like I said this was just a misunderstanding. I can't wait to be classmates in four months!

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:41 pm

LayingDownDaLaw wrote:
You have every right to attend events, and to hold on to your seat until you absolutley 100% sure you aren't going... even if you aren't sure until the first day of class somewhere else. Don't feel ookie!


Please...just because you have the "right" to do something, does that mean you are justified to do it? If you are 99.9% sure you are not going to attend Rutgers-Newark, and you hold on to the seat for the .1% chance happening, that is clearly not ethical. You are robbing someone else of an opportunity to go to the school and also, misrepresenting yourself to Rutgers.

I wonder why people hate Wall Street'ers and lawyers. Can't play an honest game...always looking to eke out the edge and be manipulative through sleazy tactics. And, you know there is something wrong with what you're doing. That's why you don't want to go to the Rutgers event. Either you don't want to fully admit it to yourself or you don't care.


Keg, refer to Senuit at the top of this page. You're 100% sure about RU-C. You also asked permission to extend your deadline. Regardless of whether you had to share your decision and thoughts out loud, you now have public consciences here. Look, you earned your spot and you were granted time to delay the decision. But, the decision is made. Think about the people who need some cash to go to school and MIGHT be deciding not to go at all even though they worked hard to get in. Think about your spot without any money. I would def say that unless you REALLY take back your final decision to go to RU-C without lying to yourself, Laying DownTheLaw is right.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:45 pm

I sent $300 to RU-N, so it's not like they don't have my money. They extended my deposit to 4/15 and I sent the $$ anyway because at that time I hadn't made a decision. This isn't like I'm hanging onto something without paying. Like I said, I'm very likely not going to the event and will ask for my money back in the next week. It looks like a cool event and for those who go, I hope you have fun.

And I even said that it made me feel weird about thinking about going. I'm not an idiot. I've outed myself IRL enough that people would know who I am if I showed up and I'd feel even weirder.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby NickyD51 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:48 pm

I think Keg isn't doing anything wrong; legally, morally or ethically. She earned the right to be in the spot she is in. I'm sure she earned her LSAT and GPA fairly, her letters of recc, and had the foresight to send in her app early. She isn't even taking away a seat from anyone because if and when she decides to withdraw the next available person on the waitlist will be accepted. I still haven't heard back yet so for all I know it could be me, but i'd rather be accepted August then not at all. Good luck Keg, wherever you wind up!

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby LayingDownDaLaw » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:29 pm

Just because you give three hundred means absolutely nothing. Law school costs tens of thousands of dollars and you already said you could get your money back. So in reality you really gave up nothing. The fact that she earned the spot fairly also means nothing . If you don't want it reject it. Simple as that. If you do otherwise, you are classless. If you don't understand why it is classless, you are clueless.

Other people have limited time to wait for a Rutgers waitlist.

I'm personally glad you won't be a classmate. Lastly, legality has nothing to do with this. So the person that said that is also ridiculous.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby bernie shmegma » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:16 am

LayingDownDaLaw wrote:Just because you give three hundred means absolutely nothing. Law school costs tens of thousands of dollars and you already said you could get your money back. So in reality you really gave up nothing. The fact that she earned the spot fairly also means nothing . If you don't want it reject it. Simple as that. If you do otherwise, you are classless. If you don't understand why it is classless, you are clueless.

Other people have limited time to wait for a Rutgers waitlist.

I'm personally glad you won't be a classmate. Lastly, legality has nothing to do with this. So the person that said that is also ridiculous.


+1

I may add that NickyD is unaware that this isn't a "wherever you end up" thing. If it was a 98% to 2% split thing, I'd have a different POV. This is a 100% final decision and an unequivocal circumstance.

Look Keg, its obvious my impression of you is unique to my experience with all other TLSers and we would never get along in person either, I'm sure, but you seem to mean well. I mean well also, especially when I respond to your messages on here. So do most other people. But, I would encourage you to take a step back and look at the content of the responses and input of advice etc. as opposed to automatically letting yourself be influence by people who are "on your side." If what they say doesn't make sense, then it doesn't matter that you have an advocate or 500. Just because other people have different perspectives that benefit yours does not give those perspectives credibility. THIS may seem like common knowledge, but I feel it is appropriate shine some light on it.

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Re: Rutgers Newark

Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:30 am

I just want to make sure something doesn't happen that forces me to stay in North Jersey. That's the reason I haven't withdrawn and am sitting on the deposit. The event piqued my interest because it sounded like fun. I'm not going to go to the event and once I am 100% sure that I can leave the area (which I am not right now) then I will withdraw. There are extenuating circumstances and reasons why I have yet to do so.




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