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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby keg411 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:11 pm

ChattTNdt wrote:WL via e-mail today. 165 / 3.2x


Same here. 165/2.8x. Was expecting a straight rejection, so I'm cool with it (late app + crap GPA). I'm going to send out the form, but I'm checking the "need a scholly" box so I don't expect it to go too far.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby ChattTNdt » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:53 pm

keg411 wrote:
ChattTNdt wrote:WL via e-mail today. 165 / 3.2x


Same here. 165/2.8x. Was expecting a straight rejection, so I'm cool with it (late app + crap GPA). I'm going to send out the form, but I'm checking the "need a scholly" box so I don't expect it to go too far.



Same here, all around, except that I expected the WL. I'll likely be at LSU in the Fall, and sticker at Tulane is unjustifiable IMO, when you have other decent options.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby mailmanstalker » Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:36 am

otherside220 wrote:
nol607 wrote:Are there still a lot of people who went complete a second time 3/5 and have heard nothing since?


+1


Just called (2/8 then 3/5) asked when I could expect to hear, she said by end of April!!!!

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby keemos » Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:19 am

Guess I was way off about getting a scholarship. Waitlisted yesterday. No biggy

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby billaboy12 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:27 am

keemos wrote:Guess I was way off about getting a scholarship. Waitlisted yesterday. No biggy


Same. Not to sound pompous or anything, but based off of past years' numbers I really anticipated an acceptance plus a good chance of scholarship. Anyone have any theories on this year's "higher standards?"

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby nol607 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:58 am

I think it's when you applied. I was w/l with 3.6 163, which seems on the higher end, even on this year's LSN. I sent it ~1/28. That's the problem.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby nol607 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:00 am

If anyone is really desperate to get off of the w/l just check that you will pay full tuition. You'll be accepted in a week.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby gwuorbust » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:01 am

nol607 wrote:I think it's when you applied. I was w/l with 3.6 163, which seems on the higher end, even on this year's LSN. I sent it ~1/28. That's the problem.


You are correct. I was 163 and 3.74, applied in Oct and got 25k. Apply again early next cycle and I bet you'd end up w/ a good schly.

also, I just put down the first deposit for Tulane. woot! But I'm still holding out on GWU to pull through for me!!

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby LiveFree » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:02 am

Anyone think Tulane will increase its ranking this year?

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby mailmanstalker » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:22 am

Maybe Tulane just focuses less on numbers??

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby keemos » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:24 am

Everyone with a 163 and a reasonable gpa was accepted up until Monday according to LSN so I think it definitely has to do with when I/we applied. I checked off that I would go with a scholarship because I honestly would not pay sticker so why even say you would

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:11 pm

keemos wrote:Everyone with a 163 and a reasonable gpa was accepted up until Monday according to LSN so I think it definitely has to do with when I/we applied. I checked off that I would go with a scholarship because I honestly would not pay sticker so why even say you would


I have over a 163, but an unreasonable GPA. So some people in the mix it has nothing to do with when we applied because I applied 2/28 and looking at LSN, would have been WL'd regardless.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby PDaddy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:43 am

gwuorbust wrote:
msh342 wrote:PDaddy, you feel Tulane should be in the T30 / ranked the same as Fordham in terms of employment prospects?


hahahaha, if only this were true


Remember something...scholarly research, teaching quality, and the like are similar for those two schools and others. I don't know why more people don't understand this, but the tail that is the LSAT is wagging the dog that is the rankings, and the tail that is the rankings wags the dog that is the employment prospects. If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

Employment can't be used to gage relative qualities between some schools because schools like Tulane, which do not game the rankings by admitting "numbers" - but real people instead - suffer to some degree in the rankings and, by extension, employment. What's astounding, however, is that Tulane surpasses most of the sub-20 schools, many ranked far above it, in terms of LSJ100 employment.

That's with the Katrina recovery still going on (quite nicely, I might add), with lower median LSAT's, and with a southern locale. Add to that Tulane's ability to place grads in more markets than Fordham and I think Tulane is the better school. Go to Tulane and work in Houston, Dallas, NOLA, S.F., L.A., NY, ATL, or D.C. or go to Fordham and work in...well...NY. I would prefer to have multiple options, thank you very much. :wink:

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby superflush » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:46 am

PDaddy wrote:If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

:roll:

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby PDaddy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:58 am

superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

:roll:


Hey, I said "probably". I also do not imply that the change is immediate, although I cannot imagine employers not sitting up and taking notice. So, are you hatin' on IUB, or are you just a non-believer in the rankings' influence legal employers' behavior? lol. Employers rely on schools to sort talent, a point made over and over on TLS. Schools rely on rankings to tell them how good they are, and, thus sort talent according to what will improve their respective rankings. Hence, employers are relying on rankings whether they want to or not.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby superflush » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:20 am

PDaddy wrote:Hey, I said "probably". I also do not imply that the change is immediate, although I cannot imagine employers not sitting up and taking notice. So, are you hatin' on IUB, or are you just a non-believer in the rankings' influence legal employers' behavior? lol. Employers rely on schools to sort talent, a point made over and over on TLS. Schools rely on rankings to tell them how good they are, and, thus sort talent according to what will improve their respective rankings. Hence, employers are relying on rankings whether they want to or not.


They rankings matter only because you think that they do. Firms don't change where they recruit just because of a jump in the rankings. The rankings change all the time. Besides, there are huge discrepancies between the amount of firms that recruit as schools in the 20-30 zone to begin with. Just because IU is now the same rank as Notre Dame doesn't mean that IU should or ever will have a similar placement/recruiting pull. As far as firms "sitting up and taking notice" on how IU made a jump in the rankings, that is ridiculous, especially in this climate. IU had to cancel both its Chicago and DC off-campus interviewing programs this year because none of the firms wanted to participate.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby smartblonde87 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:49 am

gwuorbust wrote:
nol607 wrote:I think it's when you applied. I was w/l with 3.6 163, which seems on the higher end, even on this year's LSN. I sent it ~1/28. That's the problem.


You are correct. I was 163 and 3.74, applied in Oct and got 25k. Apply again early next cycle and I bet you'd end up w/ a good schly.

also, I just put down the first deposit for Tulane. woot! But I'm still holding out on GWU to pull through for me!!


I have my deposit filled out too! Just waiting to send :)

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:55 am

superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:Hey, I said "probably". I also do not imply that the change is immediate, although I cannot imagine employers not sitting up and taking notice. So, are you hatin' on IUB, or are you just a non-believer in the rankings' influence legal employers' behavior? lol. Employers rely on schools to sort talent, a point made over and over on TLS. Schools rely on rankings to tell them how good they are, and, thus sort talent according to what will improve their respective rankings. Hence, employers are relying on rankings whether they want to or not.


They rankings matter only because you think that they do. Firms don't change where they recruit just because of a jump in the rankings. The rankings change all the time. Besides, there are huge discrepancies between the amount of firms that recruit as schools in the 20-30 zone to begin with. Just because IU is now the same rank as Notre Dame doesn't mean that IU should or ever will have a similar placement/recruiting pull. As far as firms "sitting up and taking notice" on how IU made a jump in the rankings, that is ridiculous, especially in this climate. IU had to cancel both its Chicago and DC off-campus interviewing programs this year because none of the firms wanted to participate.


Not exactly. Last year Alabama reported that they had like a 40% increase in on-campus interviewers (rough estimate). So it would appear that there is at least some immediate response to the rankings.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby baboon309 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:21 am

superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

:roll:



Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

check this out

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There were only 35 firms/government agencies/wutever OCI in Tulane last yr!!!
It`s worse than a lot of T2ssssss! Even Stetson had 31 of them :)

As for IUB, the number was 58 which is a little bit lower than most of T30 or T-40.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby baboon309 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:29 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:Hey, I said "probably". I also do not imply that the change is immediate, although I cannot imagine employers not sitting up and taking notice. So, are you hatin' on IUB, or are you just a non-believer in the rankings' influence legal employers' behavior? lol. Employers rely on schools to sort talent, a point made over and over on TLS. Schools rely on rankings to tell them how good they are, and, thus sort talent according to what will improve their respective rankings. Hence, employers are relying on rankings whether they want to or not.


They rankings matter only because you think that they do. Firms don't change where they recruit just because of a jump in the rankings. The rankings change all the time. Besides, there are huge discrepancies between the amount of firms that recruit as schools in the 20-30 zone to begin with. Just because IU is now the same rank as Notre Dame doesn't mean that IU should or ever will have a similar placement/recruiting pull. As far as firms "sitting up and taking notice" on how IU made a jump in the rankings, that is ridiculous, especially in this climate. IU had to cancel both its Chicago and DC off-campus interviewing programs this year because none of the firms wanted to participate.


Not exactly. Last year Alabama reported that they had like a 40% increase in on-campus interviewers (rough estimate). So it would appear that there is at least some immediate response to the rankings.



lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alabama had 15 OCIs last yr!!! They probably had 10-11 OCIs a year before! Woohooo! What a big jummmmmmmmmpppp!

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby gwuorbust » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:53 pm

baboon309 wrote:
superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

:roll:



Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

check this out

--LinkRemoved--

There were only 35 firms/government agencies/wutever OCI in Tulane last yr!!!
It`s worse than a lot of T2ssssss! Even Stetson had 31 of them :)

As for IUB, the number was 58 which is a little bit lower than most of T30 or T-40.


At first I was like wow, that really is making it look like I am about to waste 105k. And then I looked at UF and they had 105 OCI and I was like aww shit ! WTF am I doing ?!?!?!

And then I looked at GWU's and they had one. One OCI. Does that make UF a btr invmnt than GWU? Hell no.

Then I realized than this is essentially a worthless way to judge a school.

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby LiveFree » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:15 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
baboon309 wrote:
superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:If Tulane were to be ranked at #30 this year, trust that there would be more employers interested in Tulane, just like more recruiters are probably looking at Indiana grads these days.

:roll:



Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

check this out

--LinkRemoved--

There were only 35 firms/government agencies/wutever OCI in Tulane last yr!!!
It`s worse than a lot of T2ssssss! Even Stetson had 31 of them :)

As for IUB, the number was 58 which is a little bit lower than most of T30 or T-40.


At first I was like wow, that really is making it look like I am about to waste 105k. And then I looked at UF and they had 105 OCI and I was like aww shit ! WTF am I doing ?!?!?!

And then I looked at GWU's and they had one. One OCI. Does that make UF a btr invmnt than GWU? Hell no.

Then I realized than this is essentially a worthless way to judge a school.


Does anyone know if the prospects coming out of Tulane are really that bad??

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby PDaddy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:19 pm

For a number of reasons, Tulane doesn't depend on OCI for employment. Tulane students participate in several OCI's all over the country. :wink: The info cited directly above is grossly misleading. And besides, you ignore the part of my statement where I said employers would pay more attention to tulane and its grads if Tulane's rank improved to #30 (whether via OCI or not) so we have a RC fail here. It's part of a larger argument that the rankings create amongst employers perceptions of student and school quality (tail wagging dog?). There is some evidence of this, I am sure.
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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby nol607 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:21 pm

Anecdotally, they seem to be. Having somewhat of a national reach is not a substitute for a large local legal market

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Re: Tulane 2010

Postby totebags » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:24 pm

baboon309 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
superflush wrote:
PDaddy wrote:Hey, I said "probably". I also do not imply that the change is immediate, although I cannot imagine employers not sitting up and taking notice. So, are you hatin' on IUB, or are you just a non-believer in the rankings' influence legal employers' behavior? lol. Employers rely on schools to sort talent, a point made over and over on TLS. Schools rely on rankings to tell them how good they are, and, thus sort talent according to what will improve their respective rankings. Hence, employers are relying on rankings whether they want to or not.


They rankings matter only because you think that they do. Firms don't change where they recruit just because of a jump in the rankings. The rankings change all the time. Besides, there are huge discrepancies between the amount of firms that recruit as schools in the 20-30 zone to begin with. Just because IU is now the same rank as Notre Dame doesn't mean that IU should or ever will have a similar placement/recruiting pull. As far as firms "sitting up and taking notice" on how IU made a jump in the rankings, that is ridiculous, especially in this climate. IU had to cancel both its Chicago and DC off-campus interviewing programs this year because none of the firms wanted to participate.


Not exactly. Last year Alabama reported that they had like a 40% increase in on-campus interviewers (rough estimate). So it would appear that there is at least some immediate response to the rankings.



lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alabama had 15 OCIs last yr!!! They probably had 10-11 OCIs a year before! Woohooo! What a big jummmmmmmmmpppp!


Wow, you're obnoxious.




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