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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:33 pm

Yeah I guess that is a hard choice, sorry =(.

I got a scholly so wake was a lil cheaper than GM for me (tuition wise).

But my fiance and I started looking at decent 2 room places.... and we figured we could very easily spend 72K on rent alone over three years. That was when I was like No Thank You GM.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby kalvano » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:41 pm

Also, GM is kind of surrounded by schools that are a lot better.

While technically so is Wake, it places better than higher-ranked schools (I'm looking at you, UNC). So there is that.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Dr. Review » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:08 pm

So, for anyone in my shoes (awaiting a decision) I found out today via phone that their Director of Admissions, who reads most of the admissions files, went out due to shoulder surgery during the middle of the cycle this year. She's back part time now, which speeds things up a bit, but they've been moving slower than they normally do.

hth

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby moandersen » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:32 pm

captainpete wrote:(For the record, this is not my first post...I can't for the life of me remember my email/password I used previously..i know.)

Moandersen,

I am contemplating the same things you are. Except mine is with Mason (w/ instate and the dumb contingent scholarship). Wake is the one school I have a "connection" with and the school I know I will enjoy the most. However, sticker AND having to pay COL (no wife to take care of me) is holding me back.

Ah, decisions decisions.


What did you think of GM? I decided not to apply there because I wanted a campus atmosphere and GM looked like and office building. In-state tuition + a scholarship is a pretty good deal though. I would find it hard to pass that up for WF. Ya, if my (future) wife was not in the picture, I would probably go with the cheaper options I have because sticker + col is way too much debt to take on.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:38 pm

Yeah, George Mason is pretty good.

They were in my top 3 (UGA, Wake, GM). I had instate rates (va resident).

In the end, it was more expensive (tuition and COL) than my other two, and I did not like the economic focus of the school.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby captainpete » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:39 pm

moandersen wrote:
captainpete wrote:(For the record, this is not my first post...I can't for the life of me remember my email/password I used previously..i know.)

Moandersen,

I am contemplating the same things you are. Except mine is with Mason (w/ instate and the dumb contingent scholarship). Wake is the one school I have a "connection" with and the school I know I will enjoy the most. However, sticker AND having to pay COL (no wife to take care of me) is holding me back.

Ah, decisions decisions.


What did you think of GM? I decided not to apply there because I wanted a campus atmosphere and GM looked like and office building. In-state tuition + a scholarship is a pretty good deal though. I would find it hard to pass that up for WF. Ya, if my (future) wife was not in the picture, I would probably go with the cheaper options I have because sticker + col is way too much debt to take on.



Mo, I think I met you at the Wake ASD (w/ the Chicago references you have made and you talking with a 3L about golf. I think I sat w/ you at lunch...anyways). I liked Mason, just not as much as Wake. Maybe it is the law prestige that bothers me. I am from Hampton Roads and I don't think one lawyer I talked to thinks Mason has an elite program. Most equate it to their undergrad/commuter status and (erroneously) associate their law program with that. Also, the idea that you are graded against your peers in a group of 8-10 students for LRW with a 3L grading sketches me out a bit.

But, their econ focus (I have desire to go into transactional law if some of the gov't stuff does not pan out) is promising. Also, they have a young/up-and-coming faculty and a TON of adjuncts that practice/work in the DC metro area that have a lot of connections.

Overall, I can talk myself into either. Just wish Wake would send some money and the decision would be much easier.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby moandersen » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:47 pm

captainpete wrote:Mo, I think I met you at the Wake ASD (w/ the Chicago references you have made and you talking with a 3L about golf. I think I sat w/ you at lunch...anyways).


small world. I stuck out there like a sore thumb, being only one of the two minorities (the other being a african-american woman/girl?) at our ASD. So with that info, im pretty sure you can come to a conclusion with certainty if we were in fact sitting next to each other. I only remember the guy sitting directly to my left - which im guessing is you since he (you?) was talking about GM and had the gf who was in grad school at duke. let me know how your thought process is going. Im going to talk to a couple lawyers about my current situation to help me out with this ridiculous decision.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby traehekat » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:00 am

Now that April 1st is almost over, here is an optimistic theory for the next couple weeks regarding scholarship reallocation...

We all know applications are up this year, and I am sure they are up at Wake Forest as well. Therefore, more students will be probably be accepted than in past cycles in order to meet a desired number of matriculating students. Conversely, more students will also be withdrawing. While increased applications does not mean any school will necessarily hand out more money (in fact, it most likely doesn't mean they will - they have a certain amount of money regardless of how many people apply), it may suggest there is a higher probability that an applicant who received a scholarship will withdraw than in the past.

If that doesn't make sense, look at it like this. If someone with a 168/3.78 applies to only Wake Forest and received a scholarship, then they are going 100% going to matriculate at Wake Forest (assuming they must go to law school). Now if they applied to Wake Forest and UNC, although we cannot determine how likely it is they will go to Wake Forest over UNC (could be 50/50, 60/40, etc.), we can reasonably assume it is less likely they will attend Wake Forest than if they had only applied to Wake Forest (assuming they are accepted to UNC, obviously). For every school the applicant applies and is accepted to, the chances of matriculating at any of them decreases in some amount. Data shows that the number of applicants this cycle is not up as much as the number of schools each applicant is applying to. Therefore, applicants just have more options on the table, so it is more likely THIS year that more scholarships will be turned down than in the past.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby kalvano » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:02 am

Does Wake ever "bump" scholarships up after a couple of deposit deadlines for students?

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby DoktorZaius » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:18 am

^I hope your line of reasoning is correct, traeh.

I'm hoping I get offered a little $ due to scholly recips backing out, guess we'll have to see. I expect they'll be telling people by at least the middle of next week?

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:21 am

I'm visiting Wake on April 5, so hopefully I'll be able to find out about and even barter schollies in person. I was told that they'd probably know by that Monday what they'll be able to offer. Of course, that doesn't mean that they will actually email new offers on the 5th, but I would definitely expect them sometime next week.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:09 am

traehekat wrote:Now that April 1st is almost over, here is an optimistic theory for the next couple weeks regarding scholarship reallocation...

We all know applications are up this year, and I am sure they are up at Wake Forest as well. Therefore, more students will be probably be accepted than in past cycles in order to meet a desired number of matriculating students. Conversely, more students will also be withdrawing. While increased applications does not mean any school will necessarily hand out more money (in fact, it most likely doesn't mean they will - they have a certain amount of money regardless of how many people apply), it may suggest there is a higher probability that an applicant who received a scholarship will withdraw than in the past.

If that doesn't make sense, look at it like this. If someone with a 168/3.78 applies to only Wake Forest and received a scholarship, then they are going 100% going to matriculate at Wake Forest (assuming they must go to law school). Now if they applied to Wake Forest and UNC, although we cannot determine how likely it is they will go to Wake Forest over UNC (could be 50/50, 60/40, etc.), we can reasonably assume it is less likely they will attend Wake Forest than if they had only applied to Wake Forest (assuming they are accepted to UNC, obviously). For every school the applicant applies and is accepted to, the chances of matriculating at any of them decreases in some amount. Data shows that the number of applicants this cycle is not up as much as the number of schools each applicant is applying to. Therefore, applicants just have more options on the table, so it is more likely THIS year that more scholarships will be turned down than in the past.


No. Sorry. Here's how it works.

Lets say Wake has 50 spots.

In the past

they'd have (applicant wise).
40 165+
40 160-164
40 155+-159

In the past, they'd let all all of the 165 and 160-164 people in.

Out of those 80, 50 would commit. And theres their class. (50 people commiting out of 80).
Now, with double applicants, you've got

80 165+
80 160-164
80 155-159

Now they can only let the 165+ and half of the 160-164s in, 50 of who will commit. (50 out of 120). See, they have a less higher commit percentage, but are still able to be more selective with who they choose.
These are just imaginary numbers, but the logic is simple, more applicants= harder to get in. If anything, higher number of applicants= better applicants= sucks for people at bottom.

I think more candidates will have more withdrawing, but it will be equal withdrawing at all levels, at the end of the day, more people= more candidates=more people at the bottom getting pushed out/not getting schollies.
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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:16 am

kalvano wrote:Does Wake ever "bump" scholarships up after a couple of deposit deadlines for students?



Unless you contact them, I'd imagine no.

WHy would they suddenly decided to give you more money if you are commited?

I imagine the only way theyd do that is if you let them know you were insterested, but have deposited at other schools as well... etc etc... at least thats my take.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby moandersen » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:09 am

Nicholasnickynic wrote:WHy would they suddenly decided to give you more money if you are commited?


Thats the question I have been pondering as well. Does sending in my seat deposit help or hurt my chances at a scholarship? If I do send it in, Im already pseudo-committed and there is no real reason to now give me a scholarship. While on the other hand, they know im serious about attending their school and thus might want to show me some love back. I wish I could just ask them straight up what to do. Either way though, WF is looking like my school more and more as the deposit day creeps up.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby DNAgent » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:56 am

moandersen wrote:Does sending in my seat deposit help or hurt my chances at a scholarship?

I would dearly love to know the answer to this!

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby lml09 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:33 pm

Looking at lsn, the amount of people with huge scholarships that have withdrawn over the past couple of days makes me happy :D

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby traehekat » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:47 pm

lml09 wrote:Looking at lsn, the amount of people with huge scholarships that have withdrawn over the past couple of days makes me happy :D


+1

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:54 pm

moandersen wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:WHy would they suddenly decided to give you more money if you are commited?


Thats the question I have been pondering as well. Does sending in my seat deposit help or hurt my chances at a scholarship? If I do send it in, Im already pseudo-committed and there is no real reason to now give me a scholarship. While on the other hand, they know im serious about attending their school and thus might want to show me some love back. I wish I could just ask them straight up what to do. Either way though, WF is looking like my school more and more as the deposit day creeps up.


I'm asking them for money, either today or monday.

April 1= First deposit for people with schollies.

If you are looking to get money, I think now to april 14th is the time to do it.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Pretzel_Logic » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:05 pm

Wake sent me an email with their financial aid estimates for one year...and they were telling me to take out $58,000. For one year.

Child please. I'm about to accept a spot at Kentucky this weekend so I should open up a spot for somebody. Good luck! :P

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby Relientkate » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:01 am

Pretzel_Logic wrote:Wake sent me an email with their financial aid estimates for one year...and they were telling me to take out $58,000. For one year.

Child please. I'm about to accept a spot at Kentucky this weekend so I should open up a spot for somebody. Good luck! :P

+1, just because you said "Child please."

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby keemos » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:31 pm

Left Wake a few hours ago. The campus was gorgeous as most of you probably know. The law school is right at the entrance of campus and from what I understand law students don't visit the rest of campus much which is a real pity. I sat in on an Evidence class. The professor was really thorough and I felt like I understood everything he said even though I knew nothing about the topic. This was probably my favorite part of my visit. Sort of got me excited for law school. Winston Salem is fairly nice. Couple of complaints:
1. It was really hard to find a local place to eat, even with a GPS. There were a ton of fast food joints but all the other good stuff I heard about was hard to find. I did eat at Rose's deli which was great.
2. Way too many cops...I literally saw 1-2 cop cars at least every 2 minutes. I am not exaggerating. I have never experienced this before


The facilities were nothing to praise or complain about. People were really nice in general. The admissions office was closed Friday so I have nothing to report on that front but I think I would be really happy at Wake. If I get a scholarship I will probably end up there but I don't think I can justify sticker in this economy.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby keg411 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:04 pm

Wrote a LOCI. Anyone know if Wake prefers them by e-mail or snail mail?

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby moandersen » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:08 pm

Hopefully the next five days will be great days for those of us hoping (praying?) for a scholarship email!

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:24 pm

In Winston-Salem as of 20 minutes ago. Going to visit the school tomorrow, and hopefully be able to figure out the scholly situation in person.

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Re: Wake Forest 2010

Postby keemos » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:45 pm

I will definitely be sending an email or calling about scholarships tomorrow.




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