Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

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Postby Fletch » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:17 pm

OneKnight wrote:Withdrew with $84,000 - Good luck to those still waiting!!


Thanks and good luck to wherever you end up.

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby dalancas » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:46 pm

Loyola Law School @56, +15 (one of the biggest jumps in the new rankings!)

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby missinglink » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:57 pm

dalancas wrote:Loyola Law School @56, +15 (one of the biggest jumps in the new rankings!)

I think ASU takes that prize, but yeah, a pretty good showing for Loyola.

Sort of funny the frenzy the release of this list causes. What's even more funny are the people who ultimately make a decision based on where a school ended up in the rankings of a list most people profess to hate.

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Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:04 pm

56 huh? where'd you see that? I looked at US news and it says they're ranked 71?

Anyway, congrats on those of you accepted to Loyola, I have been accepted to the PT program. I have a question though...

My scores are 162 3.6 URM. I applied late in the cycle (January) and was accepted with no scholly. Others with my score got big money and are now turning it down, so I wrote the financial aid office wrote me saying that I have a really tough financial situation taking care of my parents after they got laid off and also taking care of my wife and new baby. I got written back saying they put me on the "reconsideration list" and I will be notified of an increase in scholly money by the April 30 deposit date. She also added that scholly money in the PT program is scarce. Has anyone heard of someone being put on this "list" and is the outcome good?

Thanks for the help

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Postby chango » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:10 pm

Wow, this makes my choice WAAAY harder. I was leaning toward Southwestern with a half-ride, but now I'm leaning Loyola at sticker.

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Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:12 pm

Oh, and anyone else sign up for the Admitted Students Day? I'm looking forward to it. I went down to LA last week to check out Loyola and Southwestern and was surprised at how much nicer the area around Southwestern was, but I'm looking forward to going to Loyola. Where's everyone living? My full time job is in Chino which is about 45 miles East of LA. Anyone have suggestions on where to live closer to LA?

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby JolieSaraLee » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:14 pm

Where is the source of these new rankings? I don't want to rely on them, but if it's that drastic I might have to. I have a full ride at Southwestern and Loyola put me in the reconsideration list, too. I don't want to submit a seat deposit and then change my mind :(

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Postby JolieSaraLee » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:16 pm

jhare wrote:Oh, and anyone else sign up for the Admitted Students Day? I'm looking forward to it. I went down to LA last week to check out Loyola and Southwestern and was surprised at how much nicer the area around Southwestern was, but I'm looking forward to going to Loyola. Where's everyone living? My full time job is in Chino which is about 45 miles East of LA. Anyone have suggestions on where to live closer to LA?


I'm taking a tour of Loyola on 4/20. The last day I can submit my deposit to Southwestern. I work by Southwestern and I HATE the traffic, however there is a metro stop very close by. The Loyola area is kinda shady, so I think either way I'd stay in my place in East LA.

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:18 pm

chango wrote:Wow, this makes my choice WAAAY harder. I was leaning toward Southwestern with a half-ride, but now I'm leaning Loyola at sticker.


Yeah, I know what you mean. I was considering Southwestern because I'm sure they're going to give me more money than Loyola. I was even going to decline this year's offer to Loyola and apply next year instead hoping that applying earlier would get me more money. Now though I think my acceptance to Loyola is a much better deal than I thought, especially since my main goal is to work for the DA office and they have a great rep in trial advocacy.

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Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:34 pm

Sorry for all the questions guys, but I've just recently became excited about going to Loyola.

Does anyone know whether the PT program has you follow the curriculum tracks or are we unable to access all the necessary classes?

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby raperez129 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:34 pm

jhare wrote:56 huh? where'd you see that? I looked at US news and it says they're ranked 71?

Anyway, congrats on those of you accepted to Loyola, I have been accepted to the PT program. I have a question though...

My scores are 162 3.6 URM. I applied late in the cycle (January) and was accepted with no scholly. Others with my score got big money and are now turning it down, so I wrote the financial aid office wrote me saying that I have a really tough financial situation taking care of my parents after they got laid off and also taking care of my wife and new baby. I got written back saying they put me on the "reconsideration list" and I will be notified of an increase in scholly money by the April 30 deposit date. She also added that scholly money in the PT program is scarce. Has anyone heard of someone being put on this "list" and is the outcome good?

Thanks for the help



Wow. My stats are a bit below yours, and still waiting. I applied FT, but I still didn't want to hear that.... :(

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:37 pm

raperez129 wrote:
jhare wrote:56 huh? where'd you see that? I looked at US news and it says they're ranked 71?

Anyway, congrats on those of you accepted to Loyola, I have been accepted to the PT program. I have a question though...

My scores are 162 3.6 URM. I applied late in the cycle (January) and was accepted with no scholly. Others with my score got big money and are now turning it down, so I wrote the financial aid office wrote me saying that I have a really tough financial situation taking care of my parents after they got laid off and also taking care of my wife and new baby. I got written back saying they put me on the "reconsideration list" and I will be notified of an increase in scholly money by the April 30 deposit date. She also added that scholly money in the PT program is scarce. Has anyone heard of someone being put on this "list" and is the outcome good?

Thanks for the help



Wow. My stats are a bit below yours, and still waiting. I applied FT, but I still didn't want to hear that.... :(



Sorry to hear that. Good luck on getting in, but I hope you dont' take the scholly money I'm hoping for :wink: . Are there any special things in your app that would make them take so long? When did you apply?

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Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:45 pm

Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?

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Postby chango » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:11 pm

Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I never "wrote off" LLS. It was always in the mix. It's rise in the rankings is additional data.

And rankings/prestige DO matter to some employers. No matter how great I may do at Southwestern, there will always be some who will look at my resume and think "impressive: too bad he went to a TTT." Do you honestly mean to tell me that if Southwestern didn't offer me money, that I should take them over Loyola?

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Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:57 pm

Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I don't think any of us said "wrote off" you idiot. The rise in rankings is indicative that Loyola has improved.

And about the rankings effecting our employability, of course they do. Why is UCLA ranked T20? Because they deserve that ranking. Why? Because they're a top notch national law school. Where is that fact reflected? In the rankings. Where did Loyola get a bump? In the rankings. The same rankings all the T1 elitists use to bash the T2 and T3ers.

The funny thing is that even if a school got bumped up from T2 to T1 the elitists would hypocritically say that it doesn't matter. They argue for the rankings when it suits their needs but against them when a school moves up and rains on their parade.

(sorry for the rant)

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby KIM_SAYS: » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:59 pm

Anyone who heard back last week on the 9th get their letter yet?

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:07 pm

chango wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I never "wrote off" LLS. It was always in the mix. It's rise in the rankings is additional data.

And rankings/prestige DO matter to some employers. No matter how great I may do at Southwestern, there will always be some who will look at my resume and think "impressive: too bad he went to a TTT." Do you honestly mean to tell me that if Southwestern didn't offer me money, that I should take them over Loyola?


No, thats not what I was saying. A jump from say 4th tier to 2nd tier is significant. A jump from 70 to 55 (especially considering the minute difference separating #70 from #55) isnt. Lets play a hypothetical. Loyola is a regional school with a well established reputation in LA and OC. Its not as if ANY potential employer in 2013 (unless you go out of state, and even then the odds are nil) is going to pull out the USNWR from 2010 to see where the hell you are coming from. Firms are well aware of where a school generally fits. In this case Loyola is still behind UCLA and USC and ahead of southwestern.

Rankings do matter obviously, but I would argue reputation is much more important. This jump will not change Loyola's reputation.

An example of this occured the other day. I was having lunch with 3 attorneys. Two are in their 50's and one was in his 30s. They all live and work in OC. They flat out refused to believe me when I told them Pepperdine was ranked higher than Loyola. After lunch, one emailed me saying he looked it up and sure enough I was correct. He still maintained that Loyola has a much better reputation for producing lawyers, and he would be shocked if anyone took those rankings (to some degree) into consideration when making hires. Btw, neither of the three were in any way affiliated with Loyola and all attended law school in Northern Cali.

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:09 pm

jhare wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I don't think any of us said "wrote off" you idiot. The rise in rankings is indicative that Loyola has improved.

And about the rankings effecting our employability, of course they do. Why is UCLA ranked T20? Because they deserve that ranking. Why? Because they're a top notch national law school. Where is that fact reflected? In the rankings. Where did Loyola get a bump? In the rankings. The same rankings all the T1 elitists use to bash the T2 and T3ers.

The funny thing is that even if a school got bumped up from T2 to T1 the elitists would hypocritically say that it doesn't matter. They argue for the rankings when it suits their needs but against them when a school moves up and rains on their parade.

(sorry for the rant)



I apologize for the misunderstanding. One that obviously necessitated you calling me an idiot. Im no elitist btw, still yet to hear from Loyola. Looks like we're both good at making incorrect inferences.

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby chango » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:10 pm

Foosters Galore wrote:
chango wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I never "wrote off" LLS. It was always in the mix. It's rise in the rankings is additional data.

And rankings/prestige DO matter to some employers. No matter how great I may do at Southwestern, there will always be some who will look at my resume and think "impressive: too bad he went to a TTT." Do you honestly mean to tell me that if Southwestern didn't offer me money, that I should take them over Loyola?


No, thats not what I was saying. A jump from say 4th tier to 2nd tier is significant. A jump from 70 to 55 (especially considering the minute difference separating #70 from #55) isnt. Lets play a hypothetical. Loyola is a regional school with a well established reputation in LA and OC. Its not as if ANY potential employer in 2013 (unless you go out of state, and even then the odds are nil) is going to pull out the USNWR from 2010 to see where the hell you are coming from. Firms are well aware of where a school generally fits. In this case Loyola is still behind UCLA and USC and ahead of southwestern.

Rankings do matter obviously, but I would argue reputation is much more important. This jump will not change Loyola's reputation.

An example of this occured the other day. I was having lunch with 3 attorneys. Two are in their 50's and one was in his 30s. They all live and work in OC. They flat out refused to believe me when I told them Pepperdine was ranked higher than Loyola. After lunch, one emailed me saying he looked it up and sure enough I was correct. He still maintained that Loyola has a much better reputation for producing lawyers, and he would be shocked if anyone took those rankings (to some degree) into consideration when making hires. Btw, neither of the three were in any way affiliated with Loyola and all attended law school in Northern Cali.


THIS makes total sense. Excellent points.

Um, so, should I take Loyola at sticker or Southwestern at half ride?
:D

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:15 pm

Foosters Galore wrote:
jhare wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I don't think any of us said "wrote off" you idiot. The rise in rankings is indicative that Loyola has improved.

And about the rankings effecting our employability, of course they do. Why is UCLA ranked T20? Because they deserve that ranking. Why? Because they're a top notch national law school. Where is that fact reflected? In the rankings. Where did Loyola get a bump? In the rankings. The same rankings all the T1 elitists use to bash the T2 and T3ers.

The funny thing is that even if a school got bumped up from T2 to T1 the elitists would hypocritically say that it doesn't matter. They argue for the rankings when it suits their needs but against them when a school moves up and rains on their parade.

(sorry for the rant)



I apologize for the misunderstanding. One that obviously necessitated you calling me an idiot. Im no elitist btw, still yet to hear from Loyola. Looks like we're both good at making incorrect inferences.



Yeah, sorry. I've just been under a lot of stress lately trying to decide on a school and I'm trigger-happy. Good luck getting into Loyola.

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby jhare » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:17 pm

chango wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:
chango wrote:
Foosters Galore wrote:Wait, are you people actually reconsidering a school you had written off due to a bump in the rankings? You realize that these rankings are not going to effect your ability to land a job at all?


I never "wrote off" LLS. It was always in the mix. It's rise in the rankings is additional data.

And rankings/prestige DO matter to some employers. No matter how great I may do at Southwestern, there will always be some who will look at my resume and think "impressive: too bad he went to a TTT." Do you honestly mean to tell me that if Southwestern didn't offer me money, that I should take them over Loyola?


No, thats not what I was saying. A jump from say 4th tier to 2nd tier is significant. A jump from 70 to 55 (especially considering the minute difference separating #70 from #55) isnt. Lets play a hypothetical. Loyola is a regional school with a well established reputation in LA and OC. Its not as if ANY potential employer in 2013 (unless you go out of state, and even then the odds are nil) is going to pull out the USNWR from 2010 to see where the hell you are coming from. Firms are well aware of where a school generally fits. In this case Loyola is still behind UCLA and USC and ahead of southwestern.

Rankings do matter obviously, but I would argue reputation is much more important. This jump will not change Loyola's reputation.

An example of this occured the other day. I was having lunch with 3 attorneys. Two are in their 50's and one was in his 30s. They all live and work in OC. They flat out refused to believe me when I told them Pepperdine was ranked higher than Loyola. After lunch, one emailed me saying he looked it up and sure enough I was correct. He still maintained that Loyola has a much better reputation for producing lawyers, and he would be shocked if anyone took those rankings (to some degree) into consideration when making hires. Btw, neither of the three were in any way affiliated with Loyola and all attended law school in Northern Cali.


THIS makes total sense. Excellent points.

Um, so, should I take Loyola at sticker or Southwestern at half ride?
:D


What kind of law do you want to do?

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Re: Loyola LA - Has anyone heard back?

Postby vijemi » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:35 pm

chango wrote:Um, so, should I take Loyola at sticker or Southwestern at half ride?
:D


I don't think the bump in rankings should not make you change your decision if you had decided on Southwestern previously. I don't think this changes the Loyola's perception amongst potential employers in LA much at all, which is where I assume you would like to work given your interest in Southwestern.

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Postby Headybrah » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:09 pm

What % does one need to be to have any chance at big law
Big law




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