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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby Gunners87 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:01 am

crm wrote:
biggiemike000 wrote:
AMon2010 wrote:I just got the Cardozo call a few minutes ago... with a 30K/yr scholarship :)

Honestly, it's still a very expensive school but law school in NYC is appealing...


Just got in with a 32k/year scholarship (164/3.87). The school and area are very expensive but with the scholarship I'm starting to give it some consideration.
Can anyone shed some light on the summer intern opportunities for 1L and 2Ls? Or the job placement in the area in general?



+1. Also, what is this about section stacking that I keep hearing briefly about?



If you look on LSN, I would say about 70-80% of the admitted students on there have a scholarship, a majority of those with the top 40% requirement. I know LSN doesn't represent all the applicants but I would imagine a sizeable amount of the entering class have scholly money. I don't think it's so much that Dozo section stacks, it's just that by the sheer amount of people with scholarships there are going to be a few people who lose them. Hopefully any Dozo 1L's can shed some light on this...

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby keg411 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:39 am

goosey wrote:
keg411 wrote:Sent a short LOCI e-mail highlighting my new LSAT score, but Cardozo still hates sub 3.0 splitters (at least now I'm > 75th).



have u considered the may program?


Can't. I'm committed to my job at least through the summer. I need the money and don't want to leave prior to the end of July.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby sibley » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:36 am

Gunners87 wrote:
crm wrote:
biggiemike000 wrote:
AMon2010 wrote:I just got the Cardozo call a few minutes ago... with a 30K/yr scholarship :)

Honestly, it's still a very expensive school but law school in NYC is appealing...


Just got in with a 32k/year scholarship (164/3.87). The school and area are very expensive but with the scholarship I'm starting to give it some consideration.
Can anyone shed some light on the summer intern opportunities for 1L and 2Ls? Or the job placement in the area in general?



+1. Also, what is this about section stacking that I keep hearing briefly about?



If you look on LSN, I would say about 70-80% of the admitted students on there have a scholarship, a majority of those with the top 40% requirement. I know LSN doesn't represent all the applicants but I would imagine a sizeable amount of the entering class have scholly money. I don't think it's so much that Dozo section stacks, it's just that by the sheer amount of people with scholarships there are going to be a few people who lose them. Hopefully any Dozo 1L's can shed some light on this...



what exactly is section stacking?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby ryguy » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:41 am

Special "hold" email...WTF....Re-took Dec. lsat and got a 169!!

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby lunu » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:44 am

ryguy wrote:Special "hold" email...WTF....Re-took Dec. lsat and got a 169!!


how long have you been UR?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby ryguy » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:15 pm

lunu wrote:
ryguy wrote:Special "hold" email...WTF....Re-took Dec. lsat and got a 169!!


how long have you been UR?

Since January, email states I can write a letter of continued interest. Blah

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby sibley » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:33 pm

K, I researched the section stacking thing.

The dean didn't mention any requirements on the phone - did anyone get a scholarship with strings that weren't mentioned in their phone call?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby chutzpah » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:37 pm

sibley wrote:K, I researched the section stacking thing.

The dean didn't mention any requirements on the phone - did anyone get a scholarship with strings that weren't mentioned in their phone call?


I wouldn't call it "strings" but my scholarship as with most others requires a certain GPA to maintain the full amount over multiple years. This was not mentioned over the phone.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby sibley » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:45 pm

chutzpah wrote:
sibley wrote:K, I researched the section stacking thing.

The dean didn't mention any requirements on the phone - did anyone get a scholarship with strings that weren't mentioned in their phone call?


I wouldn't call it "strings" but my scholarship as with most others requires a certain GPA to maintain the full amount over multiple years. This was not mentioned over the phone.



What's the GPA? And does Cardozo grade on a curve or on merit?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby Gunners87 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:58 pm

The GPA requirement is a 3.3 (approx top 40% according to them). If you drop between 3.3 and 3.2, you keep 75% of scholly and between a 3.1 and 3.2, 50%. They say above a 3.1 is top 65%, this info is on my scholarship letter.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby chocho » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:31 pm

fitzgerald86 wrote:Found interesting data on Cardozo on applyingtoschool.com, but it is uncited (http://www.applyingtoschool.com/forms/L ... rsity.aspx). Think it is accurate?

Indeed, look at how much Cardozo relies on the LSAT. The information below represents the LSAT scores for those applicants to Cardozo recently who had a 3.5 GPA or better. In other words, these are the most promising applicants in terms of their academic performance in college.

LSAT Score Percent Admitted
168-180 100%
164-167 99%
160-163 71%
156-159 15%
148-155 12%
120-147 4%




yeah dont listen to this stufff, ive seen that website and its beyond inaccurate.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby chutzpah » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:52 pm

Gunners87 wrote:The GPA requirement is a 3.3 (approx top 40% according to them). If you drop between 3.3 and 3.2, you keep 75% of scholly and between a 3.1 and 3.2, 50%. They say above a 3.1 is top 65%, this info is on my scholarship letter.


+1

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby flowerpot » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 am

Alright Cardozo....seriously. You need to call me today.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby even2flow » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:40 am

flowerpot wrote:Alright Cardozo....seriously. You need to call me today.


Me too. I'm very lonely.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby sibley » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:44 am

chutzpah wrote:
Gunners87 wrote:The GPA requirement is a 3.3 (approx top 40% according to them). If you drop between 3.3 and 3.2, you keep 75% of scholly and between a 3.1 and 3.2, 50%. They say above a 3.1 is top 65%, this info is on my scholarship letter.


+1


This is what mine says too. Got the pretty mylar packet yesterday. A little disappointed about the requirements, and may email the dean directly to ask about section stacking.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby peyso » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:56 am

I got an email about interviewing with them this Friday. Has anyone else has this? Is there anything in particular that I should be prepared for?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby bklyngreenlp » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:11 pm

sibley wrote:
chutzpah wrote:
Gunners87 wrote:The GPA requirement is a 3.3 (approx top 40% according to them). If you drop between 3.3 and 3.2, you keep 75% of scholly and between a 3.1 and 3.2, 50%. They say above a 3.1 is top 65%, this info is on my scholarship letter.


+1


This is what mine says too. Got the pretty mylar packet yesterday. A little disappointed about the requirements, and may email the dean directly to ask about section stacking.



I wasn't offered any money from Cardozo, but those GPA stipulations are certainly established to significantly reduce scholarship funds, regardless of section stacking. With their grading curve, I imagine a lot of 1Ls will lose their funding. If Cardozo is a top choice and you have the LSAT, GPA and better offers from other peer schools, I would try to bargain with them to limit that GPA requirement.

I'm going there for a tour next week and I have plans to meet with a current student. Although this particular situation doesn't apply to me, I'll bring the issue up and report on what he has to say...

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby jk11287 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:19 pm

My dad is a lawyer who works in NY, and this may just be hearsay, but he was at some sort of lawyers dinner the other night and heard that some people are planning on trying to sue Cardozo for basically being shady about the scholarships. I think they were referring to the section stacking or whatever, which obviously makes it physically impossible for everyoen to keep their scholarship. But again, I don't know the specifics.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby Modian » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:55 pm

WL'd today by email. Is anyone doing the May program? How are grades calculated for that, in terms of class rank, etc.?

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby chocho » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:10 pm

jk11287 wrote:My dad is a lawyer who works in NY, and this may just be hearsay, but he was at some sort of lawyers dinner the other night and heard that some people are planning on trying to sue Cardozo for basically being shady about the scholarships. I think they were referring to the section stacking or whatever, which obviously makes it physically impossible for everyoen to keep their scholarship. But again, I don't know the specifics.



well this is certainly worth finding out about if you can...

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby keg411 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:07 pm

jk11287 wrote:My dad is a lawyer who works in NY, and this may just be hearsay, but he was at some sort of lawyers dinner the other night and heard that some people are planning on trying to sue Cardozo for basically being shady about the scholarships. I think they were referring to the section stacking or whatever, which obviously makes it physically impossible for everyoen to keep their scholarship. But again, I don't know the specifics.


I dunno, common sense seems to say that if you give 75% of people a scholarship with 30% strings, a large chunk of people will lose their schollys. Hence why I think every scholarship that has strings is a bit shady (though top 2/3 is a bit more fair).

It's especially horrible because people that finish lower down are more likely to need the $$$ because they will not be getting high paying jobs and the debt is scary.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby jk11287 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:09 pm

keg411 wrote:
jk11287 wrote:My dad is a lawyer who works in NY, and this may just be hearsay, but he was at some sort of lawyers dinner the other night and heard that some people are planning on trying to sue Cardozo for basically being shady about the scholarships. I think they were referring to the section stacking or whatever, which obviously makes it physically impossible for everyoen to keep their scholarship. But again, I don't know the specifics.


I dunno, common sense seems to say that if you give 75% of people a scholarship with 30% strings, a large chunk of people will lose their schollys. Hence why I think every scholarship that has strings is a bit shady (though top 2/3 is a bit more fair).

It's especially horrible because people that finish lower down are more likely to need the $$$ because they will not be getting high paying jobs and the debt is scary.

I mean yeah, if this section thing is true, they are essentially deliberately setting you up to fail. Think about it though; how can a school like Cardozo afford to throw huge amounts of money around to so many people? I'm sure they are desperate to get rid of some of the scholarshps after the first year.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby 07ggfa5 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:59 pm

Waitlisted via e-mail today. Probably withdrawing anyway.

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:08 pm

I was WL'd a bit back, just e-mailed and expressed strong interest and intent to matriculate if offered admission to the May entry program.

Here's to hoping!

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Re: Cardozo 2010

Postby dgb87 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:13 pm

I just wanted to point out, that while section stacking is a bit shady, at the same time at least these students are receiving scholarships in the first place. If these applicants didn't get the same amount of money from another school or even anything close to the amount Cardozo is offering, they may want to take their chances and take the scholarship. It could wind up saving them more money in the long run.

This is how I came to this conclusion so there is no confusion:

Applicant receives $35,000 a year at Cardozo w/ strings attached, but only receives $10,000 from another school w/ no strings attached, if the student then decides to attend Cardozo and loses his scholarship after his/her first year, they are still better off than only receiving $10,000 a year from the other school because $35,000>$30,000.

Granted this is only in terms of scholarship money, not in school prestige, rank, or job prospects that may be effected by school choice. Just a thought that some of you might want to consider...

*edit for typo*




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